Re: HK Lies to EK Youth - July 2007 Letter of Light
- Hi, All & thanks, Prometheus for posting this
eck youth's question to the Master. I wonder how old
he might be as it seems that eck youth are counted as
such well into their twenties--maybe, HK assumes that
most like him suffer from arrested development?? : )
Anyway, just a few thoughts regarding what HK replied:
HK: "Some people are very touchy about such matters.
In fact, they could even cause you a lot of trouble IF you
should call their beliefs into question."
HK: "So, PRACTICE SILENCE IN REGARD TO THE STORY
OF ADAM and EVE if POSSIBLE.
Yet should someone press you, SAY THAT YOU'RE
RELIGION IS SOMETHING YOU DO NOT WISH TO TALK
ABOUT. THEN REMAIN SILENT or TRY TO TURN THE
CONVERSATION TO ANOTHER SUBJECT, LIKE SPORTS."
### I think this is really pathetic to encourage a youth
not to engage in conversation or questions about his
religion vs another's. I guess HK knows that this youth
is going to be ridiculed for the craziness that is taught
in the eck teachings, that the eck teachings do not hold
up to scrutiny . . . and just maybe, HK realizes these
young minds are still evolving and it is questionable if
they have been brainwashed solidly enough to stay as
long time members in the org.
I attended an eck group event several years ago where
some of the eck youth were part of the evenings
entertainment. I thought their performance was sloppy,
unrehearsed and without energy. In short, they were
looking foolish up there. I didn't understand why they
didn't put their hearts into it or seem to care . . . but
now in retrospect, I realize they were there because of
the parents and what they demonstrated for all to see
is that they were not "buying" into the nutty teachings
their parents were embracing. I rather think that these
eck "kids" were going to cut loose once they were on
their own. Again, no wonder, eck youth are considered
youth going into their twenties--they have to be part
of the chickens in the henhouse being guarded by the
Really sad to grow up under so much control, with
a nut like HK who is placing fear and a need for
secretiveness into young minds. I regard this as being
abuse coming from the leader of eckankar, Mr. HK!
Also, what HK suggests to the youth has to make the
youth feel ashamed of their beliefs in that they need to
keep quiet! The truth behind the scenes in Eckankar is
the dirty little secret! LOL!
--- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com,
"prometheus_973" <prometheus_973@...> wrote:
> QUESTIONS For The MASTER... ]
> Q: Dear Mahanta,
> "DOES OUR RELIGION BELIEVE IN ADAM and EVE?"
> Love, Blake
> A: by Harold Klemp
> "IN A WORD, NO."
> [ME] That's a LIE! Why not mention Adom and Ede
> and the Polaraians (the First Root Race) who lived in
> Polara, the Garden of Eden. Or the first ECK Master
> MALATI (LEX. pg. 132, Shariyat 1&2 pg. 55) who lived
> amongst the Polarians in the Garden of Eden.
> HK: "However, we would NOT want to throw OUR
> BELIEF into the face of someone whose religion
> teaches that they were the first man and woman
> on earth."
> [ME] This is because Twitchell (ECKANKAR) copied
> this religious myth/dogma too! And, It would be
> embarrassing to share this silly ECK version of this
> Creation Myth to anyone outside of the cult's influence!
> HK: "Others' beliefs are sacred to them, even as our
> faith is precious to us."
> [ME] Why is there so much emphasis on the ECK Vahana
> (missionary) effort, and to put down other beliefs. Just
> look at Klemp's comments about other religions in his
> Autobiography of a Moden Prophet on pages 385-386.
> So far HK has lied about: (1) the ECK belief in the Garden
> of Eden Myth (Adom & Ede); (2) Having respect for other
> religious beliefs. Next, among other things, HK will be
> covering up the fact that ECKists are expected to promote
> their religion.
> HK: "Some people are very touchy about such matters.
> In fact, they could even cause you a lot of trouble IF you
> should call their beliefs into question."
> [ME] That certainly applies to ECKists as well. Just look
> at Cheryl Grumpyman and some of the other ECK VAHANA
> JERKS out there in la-la land that Klemp knows of and is,
> yet, afraid of correcting! They are "very touchy about
> such matters" and even cause people "a lot of trouble."
> It's like the Blind, Deaf and Dumb Leading One Another!
> HK: "So, PRACTICE SILENCE IN REGARD TO THE STORY
> OF ADAM and EVE if POSSIBLE.
> Yet should someone press you, SAY THAT YOU'RE
> RELIGION IS SOMETHING YOU DO NOT WISH TO TALK
> ABOUT. THEN REMAIN SILENT or TRY TO TURN THE
> CONVERSATION TO ANOTHER SUBJECT, LIKE SPORTS."
> [ME] This isn't a very honest or "straight forward"
> approach that Klemp is suggesting is it? What is Klemp
> really teaching young ECKists? Isn't HK teaching them:
> To be deceitful; To manipulate conversations; To avoid
> difficult questions! Also, see how HK is instructing THE
> LAW of SILENCE to be used. This is a KAL approach to
> this Spiritual Law and to the ECK "History" listed in the
> Shariyats and even in Klemp's own LEXICON! Klemp seems
> to be embarrassed by this topic... as he should be! It does
> show the tip-of-the-iceberg of the Mythand Lies regarding
> the ECK Teachings and its "History" of Lies.
> HK: "Does this give you an Idea of HOW TO HANDLE A
> STICKY SITUATION of that kind. Blake?
> [ME] Yeah, it sure gives everyone more insight into the
> Myth and Lies SRI LOSER! Just have Chelas tell non-ECKists
> you don't want to talk about THAT topic, or just give them
> the good old SILENT treatment, or shift the conversation
> to 'Sports.' JUSTASKTHEM about those Yankees! Yeah, that's
> the ticket! On the other hand, it's OK for ECKists to be
> deviant (by any means necessary) and slip DREAM TOPICS,
> or the HU, etc. into causal conversations. Don't allow other
> people to ask questions too tough for you to answer. In other
> words avoid the embarrassing truth about your phoney copy
> of a New Age religion!
> Basically, Klemp is teaching Negative Techniques to the
> ECK Youth, and ECK Parents are too influenced by their
> own Beliefs to be able to comprehend and analyze the
> depth and harm that these suggestions can cause in
> regard to long-term social development.
> p.s. MY CAPS Were Added to All the Text
> According to ECK DOGMA, the Polarians are "The first
> root race which lived in Polara, the GARDEN of EDEN;
> the ADAMic Race; ADOM was the first man and EDE,
> [like in EdeN] the first woman; the beginning of the
> races of man upon Earth." [ECK LEXICON, pg. 162]
> BTW- Who did ECKANKAR's Adom's & Ede's children
> breed with? See, it's the same old religious myth with
> Twitchell's "lettering change" twist... that rascal! And,
> Klemp has no problem with this Dogma, until, he tries
> to explain it!
> Both Christainity and ECKANKAR believe in the
> Creation Myth of ADAM & EVE (Christian) / ADOM
> & EDE (ECKANKAR) and the GARDEN OF EDEN (both).
> Check out ADOM and EDE in the ECKANKAR LEXICON
> or in ECKANKAR's Holy Books the SHARIYAT-KI-
> SUGMAD BOOKS 1 & 2.
> The "Creation Museum"