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Re: ECKANKAR: The H.I. Letter, June 2007

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  • prometheus_973
    Hello All, I thought that I d bring this back to the front page for, especially, the Lower Initiates to read. It s always good to see all sides of an issue or
    Message 1 of 2 , Jun 30, 2007
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      Hello All,
      I thought that I'd bring this back to the front page for,
      especially, the Lower Initiates to read. It's always good
      to see all sides of an issue or topic and to make up one's
      own mind via the ability to discern the information as one
      searches for truth. This June 2007 H.I. Letter- ASK The
      MASTER response, as well as, the June 2007 Wisdom Notes
      are in Klemp's own words and is the most current information
      and views coming from the Godman himself! Notice the
      contradictions and different message when compared to
      the Fear Tactics used on Lower Initiates in HK's Wisdom Notes!

      prometheus wrote:
      > Hello All,
      > Klemp takes a different approach with the
      > H.I.s while still creating confusion with over-
      > tones of Fear and Doubt. In this publication
      > HK stresses MODERATON in regard to Internet
      > usage.
      > It seems that either Klemp or Joan wrote the
      > "Ask the Master" question because it somewhat
      > resembles HK's comments in the June 2007 Wisdom
      > Notes from The Mystic World, and there is no
      > signature!
      > One, also, wonders why HK changes his approach
      > to the Internet subject in The H.I. Letter compared
      > to his negative comments in The Wisdom Notes.
      > Once again, here, HK only talks of using "moderation"
      > where the Internet is concerned. However, why is such
      > a simple and redundant message given unless, of course,
      > it's all a sham… which it is! Where is the real spiritual
      > meat?! Actually, religion has nothing more to give!
      > Q: "In this age of instant telecommunications,
      > many of us seem to be caught up in a sort of
      > frenzy, constantly communicating through
      > phones, cell phones, e-mail, online chatting,
      > free Internet calls, etc.
      > It seems to me that people—especially the
      > youths—are being trained in the methods of
      > conquering distance and absence, rather than
      > in the art of cultivating closeness and presence."
      > [ME] Klemp is one to talk about the cultivating
      > social skills, and Joan did not demonstrate very
      > good communication skills with that third temporary
      > postal clerk (09/2003 H.I. Letter).
      > [1.] "Can this be too much of a good thing—a
      > counterfeit of spiritual reality and freedom?
      > [2.] How does this reflect man's spiritual condition?
      > [3.] And is there anything we should keep in mind
      > as we reach out with the teachings of ECK in
      > the digital age?" [end of questions]
      > [ME] Okay, let me give these a shot since most
      > former Eckists have a better grasp of reality than
      > Klemp does!
      > 1. For one thing, the only "counterfeit of reality and
      > spiritual freedom" lies with: the fraud of Eckankar
      > including its lineage/ancient history; the fiction behind
      > the Inner Eck Initiations; the non existent powers of the
      > Mahanta; and with the delusional & unbalanced "master"
      > Klemp. However, can this digital age be too much of
      > a distraction for many young people… yes! Balance
      > and discretion (moderation) are key whether or not one
      > lives in the Dark Age or Digital Age! However, there is
      > another factor. Why are, mostly, young boys (Eckists too)
      > being so obsessive/compulsive with playing video games
      > on their computers?! What is lacking in their lives, and
      > where is their Mahanta's protection and inner guidance?
      > 2. Well, it indicates that people from all around the
      > world are finally communicating more and getting
      > to know one another. Even boys and men are talking
      > and expressing themselves more! This Digital Age
      > will produce a greater means for people to grow and
      > expand their own consciousness and that of world
      > consciousness too! Once again, balance and discretion
      > is needed.
      > 3. Eckists should keep in mind what Klemp states in his
      > June 2007 Wisdom Notes. Klemp warns the Lower ranking
      > Eckists to stay away from the Internet to avoid being exposed
      > to harmful "beams," to read books instead, and to use pen and
      > paper when writing anything. Yet, Klemp sees no harm in
      > exposing ESC staffers and others to the "Invisible Electronic
      > Beams" as long as it promotes his stature and vocation.
      > The Catch-22 for Eckists is that when they are sick and disease
      > ridden it is their fault, karma, or a means for spiritual growth.
      > On the other hand… what kind of Love and Protection does
      > Klemp claim to give chelas… and when… it's not in this here
      > and now.
      > Here is Klemp's response to these questions—
      > A: "This issue is of great concern to me. In fact, I have
      > Written an article about it for the Wisdom Notes in the
      > June Mystic World.
      > There is such a thing as computer addiction. Like any
      > other addict—of alcohol, drugs, excess food, or negative
      > thoughts—a computer addict is quick to deny he has lost
      > control. He will sometimes fly into a rage when faced with
      > that suggestion."
      > [ME] I wonder if Klemp has ever seen the 1936
      > propaganda film produced by the U.S. government
      > titled "REEFER MADNESS?" Me thinks he just wants Eckists
      > off the Internet.
      > However, there is VIDEO GAME ADDICTION (VGA) which is an
      > Obsessive/Compulsive Disorder (OCD) much like gambling.
      > The real IRONY for HK is that this VGA addiction affects mostly
      > young males! And Eckankar claims that the male has "positive"
      > atoms and this factor makes them eligible to become the LEM/
      > Mahanta.
      > By 2012 this Disorder could be listed in the Revised DSM-IV
      > (DSM-IV-R) as an Impulse-Control Disorder specific to gender
      > (male) and age. One has to wonder what kind of suffering the
      > addict is going through?! Afterall, addiction is a chronic relapsing
      > disease. Even with Behaviour Therapy and/or medications the
      > recovery process can be lifelong.
      > HK: "MODERATION in all things is the key to
      > spiritual balance."
      > [ME] True, but we already know this. Klemp is
      > just being redundant. What about those harmful
      > "beams" and EMR? Maybe some expensive EMR
      > protective clothing and underwear would help too?
      > The ESC should give protective EMR clothing to
      > staffers using computers!
      > HK: "There is admittedly much good information
      > on the Internet IF one knows how to regulate his
      > participation in getting it."
      > [ME] Yes, this site (ESA) provides some very good
      > information on Eckankar. Still, how does Klemp plan
      > on protecting these present ESC staffers who are using
      > computers at work? And what about those former staffers
      > who have come down with "any number of illnesses"
      > connected to the exposure of ESC computer related
      > "Invisible Electronic Beams?"
      > HK: "How surprising, then, to see how many LACK
      > that self-discipline. Being an adult, of course, is no
      > guarantee of having such wisdom."
      > [ME] Is it a lack of self-discipline for those ESC
      > staffers or a lack of awareness, on Klemp's part,
      > of the working conditions at the ESC, and in
      > connecting the dots… duh! Certainly HK and especially
      > Joan have walked around and seen staffers busy at
      > their computer terminals! And certainly a 9th like
      > Joan and a 14th like little Harry can "see" these
      > invisible beams (EMR) and the negative effects upon
      > the physical body. Well, maybe not!
      > HK: "Of equal concern to me are the ECK youth.
      > Their bane is overindulgent parents who like to
      > BRAG about the singular genius of their offspring.
      > They mistake the mental for spiritual development.
      > Here, also, the key is MODERATION in all things."
      > [ME] So, Klemp is saying that one's Mental Development
      > should be Moderated! It seems like HK and GW have the
      > same plan… dumb down the population in order to fool
      > them more easily! Yep, Klemp is quite the expert in
      > child rearing too! The reason that H.I.s act like non-Eckists
      > is because Eckankar is just a religion, but, with a different
      > dogma than others. There is no higher consciousness or
      > wisdom given out with or as a result of any initiation!
      > All Klemp is really saying is that he doesn't want to
      > hear reports of H.I.s acting or behaving like regular or
      > "normal" people. Eckists must act "as if" they are
      > superior normal and this will give the appearance and
      > impression to cause others to think that Eckankar's
      > mystical and spiritual claims are true.
      > HK: "Ironically, ECKANKAR finds the Internet
      > useful in introducing people to the ECK teachings.
      > The Internet is a vital tool in our age. BUT digital
      > age or not, just tell people what the ECK teachings
      > have done for you, and what they can do for them."
      > [ME] Well, that's what I'm doing Klemp… I'm
      > introducing people to the Eck teachings! And what
      > can Eckists do for Eckankar? I guess they better keep
      > on renewing that membership every year for one thing!
      > Keep on donating, buying books, pocket posters, HU
      > CDs, volunteering, take trainings, teach classes, and
      > be seen in a positive light by local H.I.s and the RESA.
      > It's a vicious cycle, but it'll eventually pay off with
      > another useless initiation or an exalted position in the
      > RESA or ESC hierarchy. Eckists should remember one
      > thing- Don't hurt your head on that 7th Initiate glass ceiling!
      > In the meantime life has passed you by because you've
      > disconnected from what you were placed here to learn.
      > Oops! I guess the KAL has more than one trick, or religion,
      > up his sleeve!
      > BTW- It's interesting that with the H.I.s Klemp never
      > once mentioned those harmful "invisible electronic
      > beams" in this H.I. Letter. Now why is that? Are H.I.s
      > immune from them, but lower initiates aren't? Is
      > Klemp, also, on a personal vendetta in regard to those
      > Eck parents that "BRAG" about their children's educational
      > accomplishments. Is HK jealous of these Eck parents since
      > he was such a failure as a father? Maybe some guilt, as well
      > as, envy is showing itself... again!
      > Prometheus
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