Re: just an opinion
- --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "rowan_oak22"
> I lurk around these anti-eck sites because I enjoy them. More than
> that, I respect them. I respect what you all are trying to do.
> Years ago, a cult awareness site was instrumental in helping to
> me out of the eck swamp. - Anyway, I decided to join this sitecommunity.
> because I have a comment. (Perhaps it is more of a gentle
> Many eckists, particularly newer ones, will not leave eckankar
> because they discern a problem with the eck literature or
> teachings. They simply lack that insight early on. This is the
> more likely scenario: An eckist comes to be troubled by something
> in the behavior, or attitude, or climate in the eckankar
> Something about some of the members, the higher members, seems offnot
> The new eckist will try to blame themselves, but the doubts and
> questions linger. They end up on the internet, they end up on anti-
> eck sites, and they end up leaving the cult. Some of them may take
> up a deeper study of the eck literature, and start seeing the red
> flags, manipulation, misinformation, etc.
> At any rate, their doubts typically start with people, not with the
> literature. An eckist's first doubts will come from the behavior of
> eckists themselves. And, although human dynamics are human
> dynamics, whether in eckankar or the Elk Club, the Elk Club does
> tout long time members as enlightened.valid
> If a person comes here and complains of questionable eckist
> behavior, it seems to me that is a reasonable complaint. It seems
> to me it is worth saying. Many people need to go through the
> process of breaking the spell - the spell that lauds higher
> initiates as superior.
> In the last week or so there were some women complaing about
> relastionships they had in eckankar. I can't recall the specific
> complaints, but the men they knew, it seems, did not display
> sterling character. Isn't that important to say? Isn't that a
> complaint? Can no one imagine the double disillusionment ofeckankar
> and eckist?up.
> One poster here seemed highly incensed by these women. As if the
> women were card-carrying eckists, come to look for new members.
> When, reallly, they were expressing their own process of waking
> If that angry poster felt that conversation was beneath her, shewas
> not required to reply. She could have simply continued with thethat
> Wisdom Notes conversation. Nothing prevented her from doing so.
> Prometheus, some will come here and respond to the harold talks
> you post. Some will respond to leafeaters exellent philosphicalVery well said, Rowan. And great insights. People who leave eckankar
> arguments. And some will respond to personal stories of
> disillsionment. A house needs many windows, as you know.
> Take care all,
will begin to rediscover themselves in the post-eckankar world they
live in, and the longer they're away from the pressures of
organizational comformity, the more individuation will take place
I've shed my skin many times over since I've left eckankar, and I
love it. As I explore the post-eckankar world, I learn more and keep
shedding the old eckankar influences. My point of view regarding just
about everything has changed immensely, and keeps changing as I leave
behind the past. And again, I love it. God, I really love what is
happening to me. If I were to run into someone with exactly the point
of view that I had just after leaving eckankar, I'd probably have
some disagreements with that person if we got into the details. All
of the people posting here have very different experiences, views,
histories. Forcing conformity upon the group will not work.
Some will come with stories of bad relationships. I had them in
eckankar too. Some will come with stories of experiences of crazy
misled RESAs. I had them too. Some will come with stories of
questionable statements made by Klemp in his writings. I too can
relate to that. Some will speak of abusive organizational
experiences. Yep, this happened to me. And on and on. 28 years of
interaction with eckankar, including meeting Paul Twitchell and the
other batty masters and many personal relationships with eckists add
up to a lot of experience.
There is a strong feeling of discord on the group at the moment, and
I confess to not understanding all the strange and subtle nuances
which are simmering beneath the surface, since I haven't read all the
posts from the last two months I've been away. People questioning
affiliations, loyalties, time in eckankar, motives. People claiming
one person is posing as another. People trying to manipulate the
direction of discussions with manipulative posts. People forming what
feels like cliques. People trying to control. Resentments seem to
abound. Feels a lot like eckankar at the moment. Odd, that.
The attempts at subtlety are not subtle.
I frankly don't mind this too much. Its fascinating to observe the
undertones and underlying dynamics. I could be wrong, but I'm also
assuming that a great deal of email side conversations are going on
with key members, as they discuss how to "handle" the other members.
I guess all this is getting less important to me, so I feel I can
speak directly to issues that some would rather leave unspoken. I
drive people crazy that way, I admit, since I have a tendency to
bring everything out into the open. Hee, hee. Maybe they'll ban me
from the group. Wouldn't that be fun.
Folks, don't take it all too seriously. The truth is out about
eckankar. You're all offering your point of views, and as Rowan has
astutely stated, there is something of value in all that is said that
diferent people in eckankar will relate to, since eckists are all as
different as we, ourselves, are. There is more than one way to
present the real truth about eckankar, and that truth will have
different nuances for each person. And different people will
naturally resonate with different aspects of the information that is