03/2007 MYSTIC WORLD - Ask the Master #2
- Hi All,
Another Lower Initiate wants to know why there is a
separation between High & Low Initiates and not true
equality among chelas.
Klemp gives a stupid answer that contradicts what
he's said before. This one issue (levels of initiation)
is the primary problem that concerns all ECKists in
one way or another.
March 2007 Mystic World - Ask The Master #2
Q: "Why is it that some of the ECK teachings are only
available to High Initiates and lower initiates are not
even allowed to read about them?
Are these teachings different from what non-H.I.'s
Exclusiveness implies difference, so I am confused
as to why part of the ECK teachings are hidden from
[ME]: The real difference does not have anything to
do with a higher spiritual message and higher consciousness
or higher more refined vibrations. It has more to do with
the business side of ECKANKAR, running the local areas,
settler positions, fund raising, trainings, vahana/missionary
work, intros, Satsangs, Guidelines and other procedures
within the RESA org., and learning leadership techniques,
correct behaviour etc.
Basically, Klemp gives a lot of pep talks to H.I.s and over
inflates their already large egos.
BTW- It's unfortunate that those who do the trainings and
even the retraining of trainers are flawed in that they too
Do Not possess a higher consciousness with their H.I. status.
The 'exclusiveness' of the HIGHER INITIATIONS denotes a
clique (narcissistic) mentality which is vain, ego, fear,
and power driven.
HK: "Yes, there is a very good reason, indeed. No difference
exists, of course, between Souls, for all are made from the
essence of ECK--the Light and Sound.
That said, there are real differences in the rate of vibration in
the Sound Current. There are varying degrees of it. They range
from a high to a low pitch, and to every imaginable pitch
What this comes down to is a difference in spiritual understanding.
So, what is clear to a High Initiate would not be to one who is yet
to take the Fifth Initiation.
Such a resulting misunderstanding would have grave consequences
to the latter, who would, in a very real sense, be stumbling in
the dark. He would fall and hurt himself.
This same principle applies to other things, like reading only one
discourse a month even though all twelve are now gathered
into a single volume.
Trying to do an end run around the master's advice never works.
It is spiritual gluttony."
12/2006 Mystic World - Ask the Master
HK: "Everything down in the spiritomaterial worlds requires
the balance of its opposite for survival. The enigma of all this
is that Soul recognizes the importance of the negative power
as the educator or teacher, BUT It strives anyway to rise above
restrictions of any kind in spiritual things... Written words derive
from a place no higher than the Mental Plane, because that is
the source of the alphabet, symbols, and thought. The Essence
of God, the ECK, has at that point just made Its incursion into
the realm of negativity from the indescribable worlds of God above."
[ME]: Actually, one can "skim" the discourses. Besides, aren't
discourses, also, 'no higher than the Mental Plane.' Klemp is
just trying to maintain status quo and the mystique behind the
And, as I've stated before, Klemp has never had an original
thought or message. He steals everything from the 'compiled'
works of Twitchell and is always quoting Twitchell's SHARIYAT
1 & 2, Stranger by the River, or mentioning The Tiger's Fang!
Yet, Klemp claims his Mahanta Consciousness is greater than
Klemp is a bitter, spiteful, and fearful little mahanta wannabe.
Why else does he still insist upon having searches and metal
detectors for those entering the main hall for his Saturday night
talk? Really, this goes beyond tying up your camel--why can't
the Mahanta just trust in God? How can he promise to protect
his chelas when he's fearful himself!