Re: Fwd: Imagination and Images post
- Hi Mish,
This ECKist (Dave) really doesn't know or understand his
own eckie dogma. Klemp, the LEM/Mahanta, sees words,
and thoughts as the NEGATIVE (Lower World of Illusion)
source of the IMAGINATION. But weren't the Lower Worlds
created for Soul to have experiences that teach important
lessons? Why then do these Eckists want to escape or avoid
Well, there's the rub. Eckists, especially H.I.s, are under the
delusion that they are above it all, and that they have graduated
and learned and experienced everything that they need to
in the Lower "outer" Worlds because of their initiation level
(and the dogma)! They have been tricked to let their guards
down and to accept this delusion because it makes them "feel"
superior and detached from the World. However, they also deny
themselves experiences in relationships that would allow them
to grow spiritually.
>This post under the title "Imagination and Images" was
posted by an eckist named Dave on an eck chat site
"Imagination is real. The images our brain perceives are
really NOT FROM THE MIND but are real in whatever reality
we perceive. The brain perceives images, it does not make
them. What we see on the innerscreen is real."
ME: So, I guess he's saying that the IMAGES really come
from a higher source... the ECK or the ECK Masters, and Not
[Dave]: "The holy spirit, we call it the Eck, forms a matrix
according to our beliefs."
ME: Yes, I know of the Holy Spirit and of the ECK, but your
"matrix" is that of a belief in "compiled" dogmas and delusions.
[Dave]: "If you are a non believer in God, then that is your
ME: No, non-belief in God is not a matrix. Besides, maybe
people just don't believe in your idea or concept of "God" or
[Dave]: "If you are Buddist, then Buddha is who you will see
on the matrix. Whether you believe it or not The Mahanta,
The Living Eck Master is the eternal matrix for all life. We
just perceive it differently from our different beliefs." (unquote)
ME: So, it doesn't matter what someone's "matrix" is. It could
be someone or something or anything, but it's "really" the
LEM/Mahanta! It seems that Dave (Eckists) are disrespectful
of other people's beliefs. No wonder Eckists don't listen to
what others have to say. Yet, H.K. has stated that the name
"Eckankar" was created by Twitchell and that PT "compiled"
the teachings of other Lower World philosophies and religions
... some with their own Living Masters.
I guess that Klemp being the Greatest Consciousness that
all of the Lower and Higher Worlds of SUGMAD has ever known
is the only true reality and "matrix" too! Dave really has an active
imagination doesn't he! Too bad that he doesn't do more outside
reading or read more Eck Dogma. Still, it probably wouldn't help.
Dave wants and needs to believe that his Religion is the Best and
the Highest and that his Preacher knows the truth that he is the
truth... for Dave and the other needy, greedy, vain, wannabes
this is their "reality."
"IMAGINATION. a MENTAL faculty that God has granted Soul
so that It may enter into the FIRST DOOR of the inner worlds;
a faculty which permits Soul to PICTURE in THOUGHT. See also
divine faculty." (pg.93, Eckankar Lexicon by H.K.)
"DIVINE FACULTY. The imagination; the inner action, DESIRE,
PICTURING, EXPECTING." (pg. 49, Eckankar Lexicon by H.K.)
"MECHANICAL MANIFESTATIONS. LYING, IMAGINATION, the
expression of NEGATIVE EMOTIONS, and UNNECESSARY
TALKING." (pgs. 136-137, Eckankar Lexicon by H.K.)
"MENTAL BODY. The body for the Mental Plane; the TRANSFORMER
FOR THOUGHT between the MIND and the ASTRAL BODY." (pg. 137,
Eckankar Lexicon by H.K.)
"MENTAL PLANE. The Fourth Plane of the LOWER WORLDS; SOURCE
of philosophy, ethics, moral teachings, and aesthetics; SEAT of
the UNIVERSAL MIND POWER; the sound here is running water.
RULED by BRAHM, the NEGATIVE POWER; MAHA KAL LOK. See
also Worlds of ECK (illus.)." (pg. 137, Eckankar Lexicon by H.K.)
ME: The problem with Klemp's last definition is that if one looks
at the "WORLDS OF ECK (ILLUS.)" on page 232 is that OMKAR is
given as the RULER of the MMENTAL PLANE!
Also, the MAHA KAL LOK is not mentioned anywhere in Klemp's
Eckankar Lexicon! However, Twitchell does mention it in his
"MAHA KAL LOK. The MIND WORLD; the MENTAL PLANE; the
FOURTH PLANE." (pg. 91, Eckankar Dictionary by P.T.)
Also, neither the Eckankar Dictionary or the Eckankar Lexicon
state that OMKAR is an entity or a RULER. Each state that it is
the "POWER" of the Mental Plane.
Anyway, as we can plainly see... Eckankar dogma does not view
the "imagination" as coming from a higher source and that it is
actually Created by each Soul.
p.s. How does Klemp the LEM/Mahanta and Highest Consciousness
ever and anywhere screw-up on these definitions he stole from
Twitchell? Hmmmmm. Maybe HK's a fraud and just inherited a
scam religion that Twitchell borrowed and "compiled" from other
sources. Nah, that makes too much sense and the Truth can hurt!
[Mish, concerning Dave's coments]:
Isn't this delusional crock! The more I read such nonsense from
eckists the more nutty they seem as a group. Well, what can be
expected when a mentally unbalanced individual calls himself
Mahanta: "The Mahanta is the highest state of consciousness known
to the chronicles of mankind . . . " from page 205, Those Wonderful
ECK Masters by Harold Klemp (a Who's Who of literary intellectuals,
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