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• Today we celebrate January 1st, 2007. Why? Because it is supposed to be 2007 years since the birth of Jesus? Well, what if Jesus was not born in the year 1
Message 1 of 4 , Jan 1, 2007
Today we celebrate January 1st, 2007. Why? Because it
is supposed to be 2007 years since the birth of Jesus?
Well, what if Jesus was not born in the year 1 A.D. as
most people today take for granted? In fact, a number of
scholars now believe that Jesus was born not in 1 A.D.,
but rather in 7. B.C. So instead of celebrating the year
2007 (if the scholars are correct) we should actually be
celebrating the year 2000!

So who is responsible for the error in our recorded
history? Who is responsible for the probable fact that
we might have been assigning the wrong date to every
single day of our lives?

There is some chatter on the internet about natural
vs. artificial time these days, and a number of folks
claim that artificial time could be responsible for a lot
of the stress and/or problems in our everyday lives. They
explain that for every one time that our Earth goes around
the Sun, that the Moon goes around the Earth 13 times. And
the Moon cycle is 28 days. 13 x 28 days is 364 days. Just
one day short of a year.

This is probably why, in the ancient Mayan calendars,
you find the number 13 so prominent. One of the other
more prominent numbers is 20. In fact, one of the Mayan
calendars is based on the numbers 13 and 20. When you do
the math and multiply 13 x 20 the result is 260, and 260
divided by 9 gives you 28.888, etc. Nine cycles of 28 is
what amounts to the typical gestation period for a human
embryo. This is what I am talking about by "natural" time.
It's where time is based on known natural cycles in nature,
which some people believe have their correspondences with
other natural cycles of time in the universe. It's as if
everything were connected like the cog wheels of a clock.

The precession of the Equinoxes is supposed to be based
on a number approximately 26,000 years long - which is a
multiple of 260. This number figures in to the number of
years that go to make up the four different ages or what
the Hindus call Yugas. Again, this is what I am talking
about by "natural" time. It is how the Mayans could predict
the positions of different planets thousands of years into
the future. In fact the Mayans have a calendar that is more
accurate than our own!

What I gather from this is that the planets are like
so many cog wheels keeping time, and people have looked
to these "natural" time pieces for hundreds and thousands
of years.

We may not be able to say for sure what happened in the
more ancient past, but recently I have come to a realization
about what we CAN know about that past. What I mean is that
even our ancestors had the Moon to look at. A moon that goes
round the Earth about 13 times every year. So the moon would
be one of those ancient authors of history that is still with
us today! Isn't this wonderful? The Moon is direct physical
evidence of a credible historical element of history. The
Moon is an "author", if you will, that has been telling the
same kind of story for eons. I find this truly comforting to
know that the Moon and our planets can be relied upon for
accurate historical information - even to the more accurate
keeping of time.

Just something to contemplate on at the beginning of
another New Year. Call em Pagans, savages, or whatever,
but people have been arranging their lives around the time
of the seasons for millenia. And our seasons are based upon
relationships between planets, moons, and/or stars. So here
is a history that doesn't lie. A history based on TIME!
Probably the only credible historians about our ancient
past still living with us today!

I was once asked the question: Why timelines? Well, maybe
because "time" is that one reliable constant running through
history. The credibility of which must have something to add
with regard to recorded history. We can all change history if
we want, but back of that history is the context in which it
happened. Part of that history is time! So happy New Year to
all. May we someday again learn how to all tell what time it
actually is (by looking to those ancient historians that are
older than any of our technological attempts to define them).

If we can't tell the truth about our history or religious
history, then at least we can take what has been said about
both and put it in context to the frame of time. Personally I
have found this to be of great help for what time itself CAN
contribute to the mix of recorded events. In fact timelines
are probably the very first things that detectives try to put
back together or reconstruct in order to solve a mystery. It's
as if everything is connected somehow, and if not directly then
at least indirectly. And all of these happenings somehow fit
within a context of time. In other words, everything has a time
line in this world.

If too hard to believe that everything can be connected in
some way, consider that years from now (if not already now) it
will be (is?) possible to track a person's every move. Example:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/humanrights/story/0,,1938474,00.html

Etznab
• In a message dated 1/1/07 10:41:17 AM Central Standard Time, etznab@aol.com ... Here is a pretty good link that I found about the Mayan calendar if anyone is
Message 2 of 4 , Jan 1, 2007
In a message dated 1/1/07 10:41:17 AM Central Standard Time, etznab@... writes:

In fact, one of the Mayan
calendars is based on the numbers 13 and 20. When you do
the math and multiply 13 x 20 the result is 260, and 260
divided by 9 gives you 28.888, etc. Nine cycles of 28 is
what amounts to the typical gestation period for a human
embryo. This is what I am talking about by "natural" time.

Here is a pretty good link that I found about the Mayan
calendar if anyone is interested:

http://www.dr-rock.biz/Tzolkin.html

Etznab

• Hi, Etznab (and Everyone)! May I say Happy New Year? Interesting thoughts on time and timelines, Etznab! It seems that all of us slip in at one time or another
Message 3 of 4 , Jan 1, 2007
Hi, Etznab (and Everyone)!

May I say Happy New Year? Interesting thoughts on
time and timelines, Etznab! It seems that all of us
slip in at one time or another in the time of history
and we adapt to our place in time. It seems that the
12 months of the year and the 4 seasons have suited
me okay. But I do find in looking back at my own past
history/experiences, I tend to remember where I was,
what it was like then, even sometimes to the point of
what I was wearing, in order to recall and put it all in
my perspective and personal timeline/history.
Sometimes, I can recall the actual date/day and time of
day, etc.--depends on the significance it all has for me.
So maybe this is artificial in the sense that someone
organized this calendar of time and the rest of us sort
of fell into it and it is wrong in fact, but I guess over time
it becomes "true" for us who accept it. However, this can
become a big issue if it doesn't work well or snowballs
into more untruths.

I am also fascinated by tides--the ebb and flow of it all
and how we as humans are affected by this as well. And
how those we associate with on a daily basis become a part
of our personal rhythm and we can seem to be on a similar
if not same cycle--dancing in time so to speak!

Well, I'm not sure if I am making any sense here or if I am
coming close to what Etznab was expressing, but one thing
that motivates me is the number nine, and if no one has
slipped in a post before this one goes up, my post will be
message number nine for the year 2007 (or is it 2000?)--either
way, it is significant for me in many ways! : )

Happy New Year, All!

Mish

--- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "D.R.D." <etznab@...> wrote:
>
> Today we celebrate January 1st, 2007. Why? Because it
> is supposed to be 2007 years since the birth of Jesus?
> Well, what if Jesus was not born in the year 1 A.D. as
> most people today take for granted? In fact, a number of
> scholars now believe that Jesus was born not in 1 A.D.,
> but rather in 7. B.C. So instead of celebrating the year
> 2007 (if the scholars are correct) we should actually be
> celebrating the year 2000!
>
> So who is responsible for the error in our recorded
> history? Who is responsible for the probable fact that
> we might have been assigning the wrong date to every
> single day of our lives?
>
> There is some chatter on the internet about natural
> vs. artificial time these days, and a number of folks
> claim that artificial time could be responsible for a lot
> of the stress and/or problems in our everyday lives. They
> explain that for every one time that our Earth goes around
> the Sun, that the Moon goes around the Earth 13 times. And
> the Moon cycle is 28 days. 13 x 28 days is 364 days. Just
> one day short of a year.
>
> This is probably why, in the ancient Mayan calendars,
> you find the number 13 so prominent. One of the other
> more prominent numbers is 20. In fact, one of the Mayan
> calendars is based on the numbers 13 and 20. When you do
> the math and multiply 13 x 20 the result is 260, and 260
> divided by 9 gives you 28.888, etc. Nine cycles of 28 is
> what amounts to the typical gestation period for a human
> embryo. This is what I am talking about by "natural" time.
> It's where time is based on known natural cycles in nature,
> which some people believe have their correspondences with
> other natural cycles of time in the universe. It's as if
> everything were connected like the cog wheels of a clock.
>
> The precession of the Equinoxes is supposed to be based
> on a number approximately 26,000 years long - which is a
> multiple of 260. This number figures in to the number of
> years that go to make up the four different ages or what
> the Hindus call Yugas. Again, this is what I am talking
> about by "natural" time. It is how the Mayans could predict
> the positions of different planets thousands of years into
> the future. In fact the Mayans have a calendar that is more
> accurate than our own!
>
> What I gather from this is that the planets are like
> so many cog wheels keeping time, and people have looked
> to these "natural" time pieces for hundreds and thousands
> of years.
>
> We may not be able to say for sure what happened in the
> more ancient past, but recently I have come to a realization
> about what we CAN know about that past. What I mean is that
> even our ancestors had the Moon to look at. A moon that goes
> round the Earth about 13 times every year. So the moon would
> be one of those ancient authors of history that is still with
> us today! Isn't this wonderful? The Moon is direct physical
> evidence of a credible historical element of history. The
> Moon is an "author", if you will, that has been telling the
> same kind of story for eons. I find this truly comforting to
> know that the Moon and our planets can be relied upon for
> accurate historical information - even to the more accurate
> keeping of time.
>
> Just something to contemplate on at the beginning of
> another New Year. Call em Pagans, savages, or whatever,
> but people have been arranging their lives around the time
> of the seasons for millenia. And our seasons are based upon
> relationships between planets, moons, and/or stars. So here
> is a history that doesn't lie. A history based on TIME!
> Probably the only credible historians about our ancient
> past still living with us today!
>
> I was once asked the question: Why timelines? Well, maybe
> because "time" is that one reliable constant running through
> history. The credibility of which must have something to add
> with regard to recorded history. We can all change history if
> we want, but back of that history is the context in which it
> happened. Part of that history is time! So happy New Year to
> all. May we someday again learn how to all tell what time it
> actually is (by looking to those ancient historians that are
> older than any of our technological attempts to define them).
>
> If we can't tell the truth about our history or religious
> history, then at least we can take what has been said about
> both and put it in context to the frame of time. Personally I
> have found this to be of great help for what time itself CAN
> contribute to the mix of recorded events. In fact timelines
> are probably the very first things that detectives try to put
> back together or reconstruct in order to solve a mystery. It's
> as if everything is connected somehow, and if not directly then
> at least indirectly. And all of these happenings somehow fit
> within a context of time. In other words, everything has a time
> line in this world.
>
> If too hard to believe that everything can be connected in
> some way, consider that years from now (if not already now) it
> will be (is?) possible to track a person's every move. Example:
> 'Google will be able to keep tabs on us all'(see link)
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/humanrights/story/0,,1938474,00.html
>
> Etznab
>
• Hi Etznab, I enjoyed your comments. Yes, we measure time in accepted, strange, and in linear terms. That is the whole point of Timelines-right! It s a way of
Message 4 of 4 , Jan 1, 2007
Hi Etznab,
accepted, strange, and in linear terms. That is the whole
point of Timelines-right! It's a way of connecting the
dots-correct? However, we each experience and interpret
the "dots" differently and according to our preconceived
expectations, prejudices, intellect, consciousness, and
whether we had direct or indirect or word of mouth contact
with various events. Plus, I'm sure that our memories of
these historic events are affected by a number of factors
that are either honest or dishonest or for the greater "good."

to Timelines.

Etznab wrote:
[snip]...
>I was once asked the question: Why timelines? Well, maybe
> because "time" is that one reliable constant running through
> history. The credibility of which must have something to add
> with regard to recorded history. We can all change history if
> we want, but back of that history is the context in which it
> happened. Part of that history is time! So happy New Year to
> all. May we someday again learn how to all tell what time it
> actually is (by looking to those ancient historians that are
> older than any of our technological attempts to define them).
>
> If we can't tell the truth about our history or religious
> history, then at least we can take what has been said about
> both and put it in context to the frame of time. Personally I
> have found this to be of great help for what time itself CAN
> contribute to the mix of recorded events. In fact timelines
> are probably the very first things that detectives try to put
> back together or reconstruct in order to solve a mystery. It's
> as if everything is connected somehow, and if not directly then
> at least indirectly. And all of these happenings somehow fit
> within a context of time. In other words, everything has a time
> line in this world.
>
[snip]...
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