Re: Eckankar: The Wisdom Notes by H. Klemp ... June 2005 #2
- Hi Ingrid,
Thanks for sharing your insights. I wonder how many deluded
and "split" Eckists will finally wake up to Klemp's words about the
L.E.M. versus the Mahanta issue? Will they see themselves or think
he is talking about someone else? He really should talk to the
general membership, but he has no guts as he goes off on a personal
attack, and besides... HK is the real problem!
--- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "ctecvie"
>Hello Prometheus,EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973"
>thanks a lot for your analysis. I love it! :-)
> --- In
> <prometheus_973@y...> wrote:Yes, it seems Klemp's words are very harsh as he shuns, expells, or
>>HK is not being very loving or practical.
>He never was, I think ... but it took some time before I could see
dismisses those who believe in the concept of the Mahanta (actually
their own true higher Self). Why don't they see that the unloving
sick geeky cult leader (L.E.M.) is also the Mahanta! Or, is it that
the L.E.M. won't allow questions about Eckankar's finances, and is
too concerned about the missionary agenda than with "spiritual"
matters. What nerve of these gullible Eckists! And yet, it just goes
to show how he controls Eckists through the fear of Not receiving
that next initiation if they ask the "wrong" kinds of questions.
>>However, Klemp seems to be singling out a certain individual, butYes, it could be both Johnson and Owens. Klemp is trying to be
>>is clueless that there are many other Eckists who represent a
>>large silent cross section of the Eck membership that are "split"
>I guess it's Ford Johnson, and perhaps Michael Owens as well? I
>just wondered if Harold wouldn't be the one glued to his function
>in case Michael Owens was right with his claim?? Of course I know
>that all this is crap but the legitimacy of Harold is based on
>what? And why is he right and Michael Owens wrong? Don't get me
>wrong - I don't care for either one, but it's interesting all the
clever through innuendo, but he is only creating more questions in
the minds of many Eckists who tend to hang on his every word in
their own search for truth. Klemp out-smarts himself once again via
the modus operandi of his 'superior normal' ego. [Interesting that
Julian P. Johnson used the terms 'via' and 'modus operandi' in "The
Path of the Masters" and that Twichell used them as does Klemp and
>>Actually, I know of many long time Eckists who believe in theYes, this is what is focused on in the Eckankar promotional
>>Mahanta, and have a personal relationship on the outer/inner.
>>However, these same Eckists reject much of the outer Eckankar
>>organization which includes the direction the L.E.M. (the
>>Klempster) has taken Eckankar. They want a belief system that is
>>more "spiritual" than it is religious!
>I think, too, that most of the eckists take what works for them
>and leave the rest. And they say "no matter the facts, the most
>important thing is that it works for me!".
material. However, most eople will usually misinterpret what they
experience due to mental aberations or expectations based on
assumptions and rationalizations of past and present fragments of
thought and memories as well as distorted portions of physical and
emotional experiences of a related nature. The pure clarifying
spiritual experiences with SPIRIT or whatever we call IT and Soul
are generally and most often mimicked. There is a fine line, called
the razor's edge, between delusion (insanity) and absolute clarity,
and Klemp is a master of delusion.
>>Unfortunately, for Eckankar, this demographic also consists of aYes, the Eck propanganda machine (ESC and the Klempster) have over
>>very large number of H.I.s! Klemp is so out-of-touch with the
>>followers of Twitchell's creation and of P.T.'s spiritual/con
>>message in the Shariyats (holy books) that Klemp thinks this is an
>It's not, for sure - I think it's a majority ...
estimated the influence of their own bullshit!
>>HK): "Such spiritual schizophrenics do all in their power toYes, Klemp can't see that the "Outer" versus the "Inner" dogma of
>>dilute the pure teachings. Yet even their wayward efforts may help
>>someone along the path to God, if only to learn about deception."
>>(ME): Yes, this is true! Klemp can't even see the irony and truth
>>in his own words! The real "deception" comes from Eckankar and
>>Klemp. The "wayward efforts" are Golden Tongues of Wisdom and
>Spiritual schizophrenics ... that is really VERY good! I would
>suggest to look into a mirror and see himself! :-))
Eckankar is part of the problem! This whole concept of the
L.E.M./Mahanta creates a "split" in thinking, and thereby,
exacerbates, or mimics, latent schizophrenic tendenacies on either
an acute or chronic basis. Klemp's own distorted reality prevents
him from seeing this obvious pathology of Eckankar.
>>(HK)"There's an old saying: 'So near, and yet so far.' When thingsYes, people want to believe in someone or something greater than
>>go horribly wrong with them, they will not take responsibility for
>>their behavior. Some even try to blame the Living ECK Master for
>>their errant decisions."
>>(ME) But Harold, aren't Eckists supposed to have total reliance
>>upon the L.E.M./Mahanta? It seems you want it both ways! When the
>>total reliance doesn't work then the Eckist is at fault, and when
>>things work then it's the total reliance on the L.E.M./Mahanta.
>>Adam Dreamhealer has a similar scam on healings.
>Well, I guess that this works best ... and it's very clever, too,
>as people believe it easily!
themselves. We are all unique in our own ways and yet we are also
the same. Yet, life and existance is (and has always been) a mystery
to be solved by unraveling. However, I believe that at this time
many of us are able to solve and unravel these mysteries for
our Selves! We need no "masters" or "experts" to lead us around by
the nose, and telling us what we need to know or to believe in.
The "truth" they sell are lies, and at the very least is only
fragmented or meant for them alone to find meaning from.
>>HK) 'So near, and yet so far' can show a lack of self-Actually, HK hires people to read and sort the monthly Initiate
>>responsibility in many areas. We say, 'So and so wronged me.' But
>>maybe it's our comeuppance. The Mahanta dishes out the karma
>>people have created in the present and past lives that must see
>>repayment before spiritual progress may begin again. For all that,
>>the Mahanta returns it to an ECK chela at a pace and in amounts he
>>can handle, and thus unfold spiritually again. 'So near, and yet
>>so far'--the solution is within us. It's in our very breast."
>The Mahanta dishes out the karma ...?? Well, I think he has even
>more to do now! Having all the universes on his shoulders is
>already enough to keep a man busy ... but dishing out all that
>karma?! I wonder if he has hired any employees to do that for him?!
Reportes for him so maybe he does have a story in the making for
that as well (actually, I think there is a story about this). I
recall that Klemp had assigned some of this work to other Eck
Masters "under" the Mahanta. I believe this came out when Klemp
was "sick" from EMR effects around the time of David Lane's Internet
expose' on Eckankar. I, also, remember some Eckies saying that they
were taking on some karma to help Harold out. Years later some of
this finally got back to HK and he wrote something stating that
Eckists can't take on karma for the L.E.M./Mahanta! Klemp has a hard
time controlling or regulating the amounts of delusion each member
receives. Delusion rather than Karma is what Klemp really "dishes