ECK Higher Initiations Are a Mixed Bag of Worms
- Hi All,
A comment on HU-Chat involving the mouthy
6th Initiate Steve R. having an 8th got me
thinking about how easy it is to skip the highest
Twitchell was initiated maybe twice by his last
Master Kirpal Singh. That sect of Radhasoami
only gave out two initiations at the most.
Therefore, PT actually went from maybe a 2nd
to a 14th! The Rebazar crap was just fictional
in order to cover-up the link to Kirpal and to
validate PT's new creation and spiritual authority.
Then, there was Darwin Gross. Darwin was also
a 2nd when the ECKANKAR Board (via Gail) made
him a 5th after Paul's death. Less than two months
later Darwin became a 14th Initiate!
Then came Klemp. HK was also a 2nd when DG
became a 14th. Within 8 years HK became a 6th.
On May 23, 1980 Klemp got his 7th.
Less than one month later on June 14, 1980 HK
claims that Dap Ren (Gross) gave him the "Eighth
Initiation [8th] on the inner planes." How vain and
delusional this seems. Then again HK had previous
knowledge [those meetings with DG in the Sound
Proof Dark Room where Klemp worked] that this was
coming so maybe the suggestion and knowledge
influenced Klemp's dreams. I know it would mine!
Seven and a half months later, on January 27, 1981
Klemp got the outer 8th Initiation. Less than nine
months later Klemp got the 12th Initiation while
Darwin still held the 14th! [pgs. 139-140 Soul
Travelers of the Far Country by HK]
So in review we see that PT went from a 2nd to
a 14th overnight!
DG went from a 2th to a 5th overnight and then
from a 5th to a 14th overnight.
HK went from a 7th to an 8th (outer) in 7.5 months
and a 8th to a 12th in 8.85 (or so) months. And, HK
went from a 12th to a 14th after he booted DG!
On another note, Klemp claims that there are SIX
important events in ECK:
1. Recognition and acceptance of the path.
2. The 2nd Initiation which ends the need for more
3. The 5th Initiation which sets Soul free of any lower
4. The 8th Initiation, the last outer initiation at the
present time. [actually there was a 9th given out
by the time this book was printed]
5. The 9th Initiation where one is accepted as an
aspirant in the Vairagi Order. [one is "considered"
for membership, the 10th initiation insures it.]
6. God Consciousness. This is one's admission into
a realization of SUGMAD.
Klemp continues by saying that "beyond these areas
are spiritual beings of still more influence. Among them
are the Silent Ones; the Unknown Masters; the Mahanta,
the Living ECK Master; and a few who attain the AKSHAR
Consciousness. All of these have risen through ONE
BRANCH or ANOTHER of the SPIRITUAL HIERARCHY, and
all range where they will." [pg. 214, Child in the
Wilderness by HK]
I find it interesting that there are "Silent Ones"
(the Nine?) and "Unknown Masters." Klemp, in the past,
has used these terms as one and the same. Yet, here we
see that there is a difference. Why wouldn't the
MAHANTA know who these Masters are?
On another note I find it interesting that Klemp mentions
that there are other [than Eckankar] valid branches of the
Here's something interesting from HK's ECKANKAR
Lexicon. Look up the definitions of God Consciousness
and God Realization and it doesn't say what Plane that
this is achieved. Why?
Now for another definition or two:
"Nirvikalpa. A spiritual state of consciousness; belongs
in the area of true ECK worlds; leads to Detachment, which
eventually takes the chela through the varied initiations
into the Ninth, when he becomes a candidate for POSSIBLE
entry into the Order of the Vairagi, the ECK Masters; a
state of God Consciousness." [pg. 149]
"Samadhi. A PSYCHIC STATE of CONSCIOUSNESS of the
LOWER WORLDS. See also NIRVIKALPA" [pg. 180]
It seems that HK can't keep his facts straight way back
then or now. Then again, Klemp's always been Unbalanced.
Look at his behaviour with others: on the farm; in the
U.S.A.F.; in the traditional work force; at the ESC prior
to 1981; and from '81 to the present day. Klemp and many
of his delusional followers are NOT really nice people.
Just look at Klemp's H.I.s on HU-CHAT. These are his ECK
leaders and some could become RESAs! Hopefully,
Cheryl G. and Steve R. will become RESAs someday. But,
I'm thinking that maybe the next LEM/Mahanta might be
more sane than Klemp and this won't happen. Then again-
you never really know or do you?