Re: Reply to Ingrid and Mish (Mahanta & 4 Zoas)
- Hello, Prometheus!
Thank you for taking the time to answer my question about the Four
Zoas. It's interesting how we were being trained/programmed to
be "good." Of course, it is better than being
programmed to be "bad." But the thing is, when dictated to by such
things as the Four Zoas, we are really giving up our personal
freedom and our ability to grow. All these rules really were for
control--obey, obey, obey! And do that vahanna work! Zoa Number 4
was probably the main purpose of the first three!
> Hi Mishare
> Okay, you want to know about the Four Zoas! Well, the Four Zoas
> apply to (mostly) the High Initiates of Eckankar. Sometimes they
> broadly applied to all initiates and it is sometimes suggestedthat
> a Fourth Initiate start following the Four Zoas in order to beor
> better prepared for the "consideration" for the Fifth Initiation
> (usually given in 15-18 years of continuous membership).
> Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad Book 2, Chapter 3, pages 283-284... "The four
> Zoas (laws) of Eckankar for the Mahdis, the initiate of the Fifth
> Circle, are:
> (1) The Mahdis shall not use alcohol, tobacco, or drugs; gamble;
> be gluttonous in any way...I'm learning how to play poker at the moment--lots of fun! I don't
gamble real money, so that is cool! Poker is a game of skill. I
don't use tobacco or drugs beyond prescription medication which is
limited. Alcohol--I enjoy wine on occasion. But how do you define
glutttony? Isn't this a matter of opinion/judgement?
> (2) The Mahdis shall not speak with tongue of vanity or deceit orwrong
> unhappiness, criticize the actions of others, blame others for
> doings, quarrel, fight or inflict injury. He shall be at all timesThis one sounds very Stepford wife-like!
> be respectful and courteous to his fellow man and show great
> compassion and happiness.
> (3) The Mahdis shall have humility, love, and freedom from allbonds
> of creeds. He shall be free from the laws of karma which snare himand
> with boastfulness and vanity. He shall have love for all people
> all creatures of the Sugmad.This seems to be impossible--to be free from all bonds of creeds--
when you go onto #4 Zoa! As for having love for all people and
creatures--maybe respect is a better approach which might then lead
> (4) The Mahdis must preach the message of ECK at all times, andMaster
> prove to the world that he is the example of purity and happiness.
> He must show that the disciple in the human body must have a
> in the human body."Well, I don't have to worry about #4 any longer--nice to not have to
preach!!! Too bad we didn't realize that we didn't have to prove
anything like that, and lead others to this false teaching! : )
> It goes on some from there but this is basically it. Any questionsif'
> or comments? In #2 it states that one shall "show great compassion
> and happiness." Too bad that it's just an 'act' or using the 'as
> principle instead of actually evolving to the state of awarenessto
> demonstrate true compassion and happiness!Thanks for taking the time to list these. I'm sure others will like
viewing these and perhaps make some comments, too.