FYI: Once again I have changed the subject line in order to be able
to find this topic easier for future reference.
I checked out the source of my comments and found it in HK's 1987
copyright of "Soul Travelers of the Far Country." On page 142 Marge
says to Harold, 'Don't worry'... 'You can always be an ECK Master,
even if you can't be the Living ECK Master.' On page 143 Harold
states that, "More than once my wife tried in vain to cheer me up by
saying that it is a blessing to become an ECK Master; why not set my
sights on that?" Harold also states that, "From then on I no longer
spoke about my inner experiences, and at the time, this strained our
Actually, I was wrong about the 9th Initiation date. Harold seems to
jump around a lot and specific information is hard to find without
extensive reading. However, HK received his 8th (Inner) Initiation
on June 14, 1980 and the real outer one on January 27, 1981 (page
140). On pages 186-187 HK claims to have received the 9th Initiation
on July 22, 1981 (on the Inner), and states that, "Initiations in
ECK beyond the 8th are only given on the inner planes." Did he
confirm receiving the 9th on the inner with Darwin Gross the 972th
L.E.M. and Mahanta? HK seems to leave out this little detail. Maybe
Graham and Ford should have kept silent and just lived in the ECK
delusion of inner mastership!
But, wait! I seem to remember that in the Master 4 Discourses Lesson
2 was titled, "The Ninth Initiation." Hmmmm. Well it states that it
happens on the inner and that all of the 8ths (other planes included
and from other parts of the physical universe) appear as either of
the white or yellow race as they gather at this special spiritual
"White signifies the active path of the extrovert" (they still have
egos?). "Yellow stands for its counterpoint: the path of indirection
(not passivity), the method of subtlety rather than easy-to-discern
outer behavior." Wow, HK really had to go into detail for the
indirect (nonreactive) yellow race thing! The HUK sound wave is sent
to the candidate for the 9th Initiation. "In the last phase the
Mahanta, the Living ECK Master confirms the initiation by some outer
means. Oops, I guess Graham should have just kept silent and waited
and waited and waited... just like others do for that outer
confirmation. As above so below, or is it really as below so above?
Actually, does an above (up) and below (down) really make sense!
This is just more eckie brain washing just like the acting "AS IF"
Anyway, a review of the Nineth Initiation is that it has three
parts: "First is the inner experience of the initiate, who meets the
Mahanta at the mountain of Agam Lok." Delusion and creative
imagination with an Eckankar only focus. Second is "the retreat with
spiritual contests." Fun and games for everyone! Wheeee! "Third the
final part of the Ninth Initiation occurs in the physical world."
Harold goes on to remind ECKists that, "The Shariyat-Ki- Sugmad,
Book Two, says: 'The Maulani is the one who sacrifices everything
for his fellow ECKists, for if it is necessary for him to put
himself in debt for them, or share their cell in prison, it must be
done." Hey Harold, what ever happened to self-responsibility and
karmic lessons for these other ECKists? And, what else might you ask
them to sacrifice?