Re: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Re: Personal Study of God and Its Ways
I am not a practicing astrologer and think that if you want to know about astrology then it would be better to do a personal study yourself.
When I mentioned the subject, it was at a time when I felt that humor would be appropriate. Yes, in a way it was an excuse. But I intened it to be a humorous one.
- --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, etznab@... wrote:
> When I mentioned the subject, it was at a time when I felt thathumor
> would be appropriate. Yes, in a way it was an excuse. But I intenedit to be a
> humorous one.*** Well we have something in common then... ;-) I was trying to be
- Hi Liz and Everyone,
Yes, words are important as is the way we use them. Using humor as
an excuse could be viewed, by some, as being condencending. This
makes it difficult to understand what is being said. IMO - People
should say what they mean and mean what they say without making
assumptions or giving a 20/20 hindsight explanation or excuse for
being misunderstood. I agree with Mish that being direct and concise
is usually the best way to communicate our thoughts.
Klemp does his best to confuse Eckists in his seminar talks when he
jumps around and back and forth from story to story. HK is applauded
for being able to tie up the loose ends and complete the stories in
the alloted time frame. Eckists admire him for this and see it as
funny! However, Klemp's stupid little stories require Eckists to
look for hidden meanings and to second guess him (the Mahanta) by
making a silk purse out of a sow's ear! Klemp is intentionally vague
and this encourages Eckists to seek a greater (higher) and more
profound message from his juvenile rantings. The real reason that
Eckists fall asleep is because Klemp is boring! It has nothing to do
with "getting it on the inner." LOL! You see, this is how
Eckankar "works" for many Eckists. Just fill-in the blanks for
yourself... within the confines of the Dogma (i.e. the Shariyats,
discourses, the Guidelines, Spiritual Laws, the Zoas, etc.). The
problem is that it is difficult to fill-in the blanks and remain a
true Eckist if you go outside the confines of the Eck Dogma.
Actually, filling in the blanks or second guessing the message of
the LEM/Mahanta is in and of itself outside of the Eck teachings.
The Search for Truth within Eckankar now becomes secondary to the
search for truth from Klemp's talks. Eckankar is a distraction for
the real Truth Seeker.
Many Eckists are confused with the Eck teachings anyway, and this is
why Klemp wants them to imagine, create, and manifest their own
reality within the Dogma of Eckankar. Eckists are even confused as
to who or what "God" is versus who or what the Mahanta is versus who
or what Sugmad is. What does Eckankar, the Religion of the Light and
Sound of God mean versus Eckankar, the Ancient Science of Soul
Travel mean? I find it interesting that Eckankar (Klemp) sees
the "God" of all other religions as being the Kal, and that Eckankar
constantly promotes that it is the Religion of God (the Kal).
Also, Eckankar has still used the old Third Eye (Tisra Til)
technique since the beginning of this Astral scam/cult of
Twitchell's. The Tisra Til is not even the highest of the Astral
chakras! Yet, most H.I.s place their attention on the Tisra Til
Chakra (located between the eyes) when they sit down to do a proper
spiritual exercise. Klemp then has the nerve to imply that
Twitchell's Mahanta Consciousness would not be as "high" today when
compared to his Mahanta Consciousness. Does this mean that the
Mahanta Consciousness is limited by time or that the vehicle for it
(Twitchell vs. Klemp) was limited in the first place! However, if we
look at what Klemp has accomplished we can only see things of the
material and lower Planes of Kal that have been influenced by
change. The spiritual growth of Eckankar and of Eckists (except for
initiation numbers and a more complex org) has not expanded at all.
Continued use of the Tisra Til to meet the Master on the Astral
Plane (a Radhasoami technique) is still used by Higher Initiates.
What has profound thoughts, methods, techniques and message has
Klemp conveyed versus what Twitchell has already given from his
lower and dated Mahanta Consciousness? None! How could Klemp make
untruths into Truth when Eckankar is based (mostly) upon the
distortions of other distorted teachings - mainly Radhasoami.
Etznab, if you have read the archives of our posts on Eckankar and
the Links you will then have a better idea of our thoughts and
experiences. The who, what, WHY, when and how will become clearer. I
am glad that you have come here and I'm interested in your
experiences and views, except, this site will remain an anti-
Eckankar site while exploring other topics. We've been there, done
that, and bought the tee shirt (literally too)!
When I mentioned the subject, it was at a time when I felt that
humor would be appropriate. Yes, in a way it was an excuse. But I
intened it to be a humorous one.
*** Well we have something in common then... ;-) I was trying to
be funny too.