Thanks for your kind words and support. I have been thinking
of a website, but could you point me in a direction in order to set
one up. What approach are you taking? You can email me this info
Anyway, the only A.R.E. I was ever aware of, prior to leaving
Eckankar and participation on the TS/HCS sites of Ford Johnson, was
that of the Edgar Cayce group that I was a member of long ago. This
was during my "psychic" period I guess.
Yes, it seems that Harold is once again talking about black
magicians, but in a different context as with Darwin. I remember
that after listening to the tape of HK's H.I. talk ('84?), at our
Eck center, on Darwin being a black magician that we discussed
throwing out DG's pictures and books. One H.I. said something like,
If having Darwin's pictures around is a means to use black magic
then isn't it the same for Harold's pictures? At the time I thought
that she just didn't get it, but now I can see that she did, or
maybe her words were just meant for me to hear and remember.
Unfortunately, she closed her mind and is still in Eckankar. Anyway,
the next day I threw out the Darwin stuff from the Eck center, and
put a whole new box of Darwin's "From Heaven to the Prairie" in the
dumpster! I knew what to do... I was such a loyal little eckie!
Oh, I was looking through HK's "Child in the Wilderness" and noticed
the part (pages 234-239) where Harold mentions meeting this "unknown
ECK Master" again, after ten years, and ends up following him to
Texas. Harold's actions are strange enough, but what is really
strange is that Harold (the Mahanta and right hand of SUGMAD) in
this 1989 copyright, or even today, still doesn't know who
this "unknown ECK Master" is! Isn't there something wrong with the
Mahanta not knowing this "fact" or is it all a continuation of HK's
delusions? I vote for delusion!
Anyhow, I'll have to comment on the "Wisdom Note" next. It's got all
kinds of whacky fun stuff in it!
--- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com
> >1. Comments on: "The Mystic World of Eckankar" June
> 2005 From: "prometheus_973"
> Great stuff, Prometheus! Thank you!! By the way,
> this kind of commentary is what I feel works best to
> help people wake up, when you point out what Klemp is
> *really* doing. Otherwise, I daresay most uninformed
> members just do what I did - read it all and accept
> it, even though something seems a bit "off".
> I remember back when I first joined, shortly after
> Klemp took over, I'd read Gross's bio from the library
> and it was a factor in my joining. When I went to my
> first cult bookstudy I asked "What happened to Darwin
> Gross?" and the HI just said "He's not the master
> anymore" and changed the subject. I got the message -
> don't ask questions. It was several years before the
> other eckists were comfortable enough around me to
> talk about Gross, but it wasn't until I got on the
> internet that I got the *real* answers, and the whole
> "falling master" thing made sense.
> Anyway, I also remember an early Satsang where Klemp's
> "Beware of Black Magicians" message was discussed in
> depth, although of course Gross wasn't directly
> mentioned. I remember thinking it was a tad bit
> strange, all the focus on watching out for secret
> black magicians who were out to get us, to take care
> in accepting even little gifts from people, lots of
> dumb little "protection" rituals, etc. Oh! One big
> point at this Satsang that especially surprised me was
> the incredible fear of Christian prayer!!None of it
> seemed to agree with other "teachings" about the
> "master's" protection.
> It's sort of funny how I went full circle in the cult
> - at the end, when I went to a.r.e. an HI told me I
> needed to do "protection rituals" because of nasty
> entities who could actually pop out of the monitor and
> get me!! <gg> I told him I didn't feel comfortable
> with this, why did we have to do what were basically
> simple "Wiccan" rituals? I felt I had the "master's"
> protection 24/7, and doing these silly rituals seemed
> to indicate, to me, a lack of faith in the "master".
> Anyway, along the lines of your comments about this
> Mystic World article - I believe it's one of the
> "Master" discourses where Klemp addresses the issue of
> those "high" initiations and the possibility that
> members might feel like there's not really much to
> hang around for once they get those high initiations.
> He says there are lots of "mini-inner-initiations" you
> should watch for. Good grief!! Anyway, I don't feel
> like digging thru the box and finding it to post
> quotes - that's going to be on the future website,
> along with one of the "high" discourses where Klemp
> says yeah, it's true that once you get your 5th you
> can travel to those "god-worlds" by yourself, without
> him, but why would you want to? <gg>
> Prometheus, seriously, I hope you'll keep it in your
> mind somewhere, the possibility of doing a website in
> the future, for the benefit of those who aren't on the
> internet yet, or haven't yet begun to question, and
> won't even *look* at anti-eckstuff. This is the kind
> of thing that really helps true seekers.
> When I first got on the internet, a search for
> "eckankar" sent me to a.r.e. - I didn't know
> *anything* about the internet, didn't know the
> difference between a website, usenet, groups, etc.
> Anyway, I was shocked and confused at what I saw, but
> contacted an eckist who was posting there and was
> directed to the ecklists, where I hid out for around a
> year, trying to forget the word "plagiarism" as well
> as its implications. I worked hard at becoming
> stronger spiritually, until I could go back and help
> those poor lost confused souls who just didn't "get
> Well, thanks *so* much for your wonderful
> contributions to the true "Great Work"!! <ggg>
> Take care, have a great week, and everyone who's
> experiencing a heat wave right now but like me,
> totally *die* at temperatures over 75 - Think