Klemp's remarks to this RESA shows how rigid, fearful, narrow-minded
and old-school he is. Klemp lives in the past and Eckankar reflects
this. This is why many of his RESAs and other Eck Leaders are
frustrated and hope that JOAN KLEMP is made Co-LEM soon!
BTW - I've never seen an "ASK The MASTER" section in the H.I. Letter
before. Apparently Klemp wanted every H.I. Leader to see this in
order to silence them once and for all on this subject. Case closed!
Move on! Isn't this an unloving approach by Klemp? That's the
difference between Power and Love isn't it!
Below are my responses to both the RESA's and Klemp's (the Master)
September 2006 H.I. Letter - Ask the Master
Klemp has given permission to print this question from a RESA and
RESA: "You have written about the need to build astronger 'community
of spirit' as we work together to bring out the ECK teachings. Some
in my state have suggested one way to strengthen our outer community
is to meet inwardly as a group each month to sing HU, setting a
specific date, time, and location."
[Me]: It is Not necessary to meet on the INNER as a GROUP. The GOD-
REALIZATION experience is an individual effort. Each individual has
a different Level of Consciousness regardless of even sharing the
same Circle of Initiation. The HU is the WORD used for the 10th
Initiate or to travel to the 10th Plane when doing a private
Spiritual Exercise. Besides, the Group HU Chant is meant to be done
on the Outer and is synchronized with date, time, and location. It
is on the EWWS schedule and is listed on the Chela page of the local
Satsang Society Newsletters. When there is no Eck Center the HU
Chant can be publicized on the Public page of the Eck Newsletter.
And, chelas Not able to meet at the HU Chant location can
synchronize it and do an OUTER HU Chant at the same date and time in
their own home or hotel room. This is permitted, although, this too
Cannot be publicized due to the strict unbending Guidelines set in
stone. However, this is more of a "grey" area than meeting on the
INNER. And, this could be changed, if anything could, in order to
strengthen the 'community of spirit.' My first guess would be that
that this RESA doesn't have enough Chelas showing up for HU Chants.
However, it should be noted that HU Chants have been directed (white
magic?) and used to "open up an area" to become receptive to the Eck
teachings and to improve memberships numbers. Maybe this is the real
RESA: "The HU Chants guidelines say there is no spiritual benefit to
synchronizing HU Chants within an area. BUT it also seems such an
inner group focus may bring about more cohesiveness."
[Me] If there's Not a 'cohesiveness' on the outer it's because of
the flaws in the Eck teachings, Guidelines, and the Eck Leadership.
Isn't Eckankar supposed to be an individual path? However, I can see
the confusion since Self-Mastery, etc. is supposed to come from a
united and synchronized belief in the Mahanta by all chelas.
RESA: "Is it ever OK to give an outer invitation to an inner event,
such as a HU Chant, to the chela community as a whole?"
[Me]: The HU Chant is both an Outer and Inner Event! Even though a
HU Chant/Sing is done on the outer doesn't mean that there aren't
INNER connections/experiences from this seva! Duh! Why do I have to
explain this to a RESA! SEE! This is just one more example of why
the Eck Initiations are bogus when a non/former Eckist knows more
than a current 7th Initiate RESA or a 14th Initiate LEM/Mahanta! : )
RESA: "Can you give any guidance about the nature of the inner group
consciousness and how to work with it?"
[Me]: NO! Just kidding! I'll answer that later. Here are Klemp's
answers to the RESA's questions and my responses as well:
HK: "The inner is the inner, and the outer is the outer."
[Me]: True! And thanks again, Dubya, for pointing that out!
HK: "It's OK for every chela individually to invite the Mahanta into
his heart. IF scattered individuals heeded an area leader's
suggestion to meet inwardly at a certain time for, say, a HU Chant,
how long so you suppose it'd be before someone got the bright idea
to direct the group's focus toward some outer project, like
visualizing a temple? That'd be trying to direct the ECK. It is also
a form of white magic. Don't go there."
[Me]: Notice the 'IF.' Isn't this 'heart' thing ASTRAL? Really, why
is Klemp so afraid and untrusting? How many years of service,
initiations, trainings, leadership books, and guidelines do Eck
Leaders need to go through, attend and read before they get it?
Everyone knows that one is Not to direct the ECK (Spirit)! Klemp is
just sooooo controling and negative! Besides, wouldn't the Mahanta
or the Eck give guidance and protection to these H.I.s and protect
them from the Kal? BTW-Are doing good things or having good thoughts
a form of 'White Magic?' Isn't it true that at the Second Circle of
Initiation that the chela chooses the CENTER PATH rather than the
left-hand path of Black Magic or the right-hand path of White Magic
(Shariyat 1&2, pg. 465)?
HK: "What does 'community of spirit' mean? It refers to ECKists who
live in close physical proximity to each other. Spiritual and karmic
circumstances have thrown them together, so it is well for them to
work together in the name of the Mahanta. They will gain spiritually
[Me]: This is a very limited view isn't it? Actually, isn't it true
that there is a Community of Souls, as well as, an Inner
Communication with Them and that Spirit is everywhere and with
everyone! Besides, people do grow up and make choices like move away
from home! They go off to school or to work and then finally
graduate or move on from there too! Not so with Eckankar! There is
No graduation just more grades and classrooms! Klemp wants to
protect his image and con as being the One and Only limited choice
and with him as the deluded expert on everything (of past
consciousness). For Eckists, there is never a graduation to Self-
Mastery and Spiritual Freedom as an Independent Master Soul.
HK: "Then, as an outer group, they can plan such outer projects as
building an ECK temple in their area or developing a Vahana project.
I hope this gives some clarity to the situation."
[Me]: Isn't it interesting to see Klemp's choice of words when he
refers to this as a 'situation.' This is the same old crap that I
heard over and over when I was an H.I. Either it was a "Temple"
fund, or a Satsang Project, or a Vahana Project, or Trainings, or
Classes, or anything related to more members and more money! There
really isn't much effort made to help Chelas grow and sort things
out in Satsang Classes. The major effort with Eckankar is to Spread
the Message of Eck, but Not to help Chelas with their spiritual
growth. The Outer acts of Giving and Giving by chelas is supposed
to "Give" them Spiritual Growth because Klemp says so! What a con!
BUT, the proof is in the pudding! This is why Klemp can't trust H.I.
Leaders Not to direct the HU Chant and fears that they may practice
either Black or White Magic!