Re: Klemp's Version of Consciousness vs. Twitchell's
- BTW- How does HK's view of Eck Second Initiates and their
Consciousness of several (3-5) notches Lower from Paul's era than
those Seconds today (HK's era) fit in with the Consciousness of
Twitchell's Shariyats Books 1&2? Why doesn't Klemp write newer
Shariyats Books 3&4 to bring the Consciousness of Eckankar's Holy
Books up-to-date! Did Paul write Books 1&2 for Consciousness
Five individuals? If so, that would mean that Klemp's definition of
these Holy Books of ECKANKAR are now for those of a Lower
Consciousness (zero?). If the Consciousness of everyone is expanding
as Klemp claims then why use old P.T. era Shariyats? Or, is Klemp
mistaken? Maybe Klemp is lying? One thing is for certain, something
is wrong! Thus, one's common sense tells us that the Eck initiations
are phoney and that's why it doesn't make sense. Maybe Klemp sees no
need to bother with writing new updated volumns since Eckists are so
gullible and believe anything he tells them. It's obvious that his
followers have as much trouble connecting the dots and seeing the
negative correlations as he does! Such is Lower Eck Consciousness!
Klemp: "A Second Initiate from Paul's day would be Several Notches
Lower in Consciousness than a Second Initiate in ECK today." [My
So, what do these words really mean? "Several" according to the
dictionary means more than two (3) but fewer than many. "Many" is
defined as being fewer than the majority. Therefore, Klemp is
basically saying that a Second Initiate in Paul's day would be at
least 3-5 Initiation levels or "notches Lower in Consciousness that
a Second Initiate in Eck today." In other words they would be a
Zero Consciousness or even a Minus Zero Initiates today!
Now, if this Lower Consciousness is true for the "Second Initiate
from Paul's day" what about the Higher Initiates? And, how about
those from Darwin's day? How do these Higher Initiates fair?
Is a Seventh Initiate from 1985 SEVERAL NOTCHES LOWER (3-5) in
CONSCIOUSNESS than an ECKist who becomes a Seventh Initiate today?
It seems so!
Therefore, it seems that time robs ECK Initiates of Consciousness.
Perhaps this is why Klemp has stated that some of the new people now
coming into Eckankar are "higher" than some High Initiates!
The problem that Eckists would have with all of these statements
from Klemp (if they really thought about it) is that it also points
out the Fraud behind the Eck Initiations! The Eck Initiations are
the carrots/con that keep Eckists believing and imagining that there
are more future promises to be fulfilled. This is what all religions
do! Eckists need to realize that ECKANKAR is just another religious
belief and is similar to all others. It is a means to control the
individual, and masses, through fear and promises by using a
Savior/Prophet, as well as, using a hierarchy and distorting truth.