Re: Klemp's Personality Traits Trickle Down to His Chelas
- Actually, two godman meeting would be the same as two "zeros". lol
kind of like in Algebra where "0" X "0" = "0" . Or zero times any
number equals zero. Naught is Naught, right? In other words, DELUSION
(a persistent, false, psychotic belief).
Non ; )
--- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "Non ekster"
>Re: Klemp's Personality Traits Trickle Down to His Chelas
Yes, the Schizoid type is why some eckists experience questioning or
rational thinking/critical thinking as the other person's "hatred" and
"anger", etc.. They are in fact Projecting their own rage onto anyone
who challenges their delusional belief system based on the
saviour/mahanta complex. <gg> I wonder what klemp would do if he met
another godman from a similar path as eckankult? Well, the other
godman would just have to be kal or satan or of the negative worlds,
and so on. Maybe they would do us all a favor and destroy each other. lol
Non ; )
--- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973"
> Hi Liz,
> I'm not surprised to see this caliber of Eck Spiritual Exercise
> being used in an Eck Children's Satsang Class. "As Above So Below"
> is how it works in the demented and delusional Spiritual Hierarchy
> of Eckankar.
> IMO Klemp's mental problems stem from his childhood and his lack of
> personality development and, therefore, result in his current
> Personality Disorders. It would be impossible to diagnose his
> multible and overlapping mental disorders precisely and without
> several consults, however, he has given enough information to form
> some general and preliminary conclusions. Here are (merely) three
> definitions [taken from the DSM-IV] that seem to correspond to HK's
> comments and behaviors over the years.
> "SCHIZOID PERSONALITY DISORDER is a pattern of detachment from
> social relationships and a restricted range of emotional expression."
> "SCHIZOTYPAL PERSONALITY DISORDER is a pattern of acute discomfort
> in close relationships, cognitive or personal distortions, and
> eccentricities of behavior."
> "NARCISSISTIC PERSONALITY DISORDER is a pattern of grandiousity,
> need for admiration, and lack of empathy."
> Therefore, is it any wonder that many Eckists, by emulating their
> master and following his example, have also emulated and followed
> HK's mental instability and negative behaviors as well!
> Eckankar in general and Klemp in particular promote mental
> instability through delusional and anti-social standards and
> requirements which are necessary in order to become an attached
> follower (chela) who needs the "fix" from a savior/Mahanta. It's a
> scam that gives many socially unstable and mentally unstable
> indiviuals a safe place to hide and appear "normal" by Eck
> Therefore, Eckankar has a two fold problem. 1.) Spiritual Seekers
> who are relatively mentally healthy and stable or "normal" tend to
> become adversely influenced by the nutty behavior and attitudes that
> Klemp has deemed "superior normal." 2.) Those Eckists that already
> had mental disorders prior to joing Eckankar are now put in jeopardy
> of having the problems of these disorders increased upon and
> expanded due to various accepted Eck practices. Using herbal
> remedies versus prescription drugs and using other alternative New
> Age solutions is not always best for some people, but there is a
> strong desire for Eckists to conform fit-in. Also, doing a
> contemplation is not the best advice to give someone who is Bi-polar!
> Yes, it is interesting that Eckists are so eager to conform to what
> they are told is of a higher consciousness. However, is the non-
> comformity of some Eckists just them "acting out" due to what is
> expected in Eckankar and by emulating Klemp's mental instability or
> to their own mental instability? These are just more questions that
> many Eckists are afraid to ask while others remain in denial of the
> "Elizabeth" wrote:
> I was thinking a little more about this so called Spiritual exercise
> The Ties that Bind, created to show an example of cutting karmic
> You know, this doesn't surprise me really that some of these eckies
> would find this to be a perfect example of how to cut ties. A lot
> of what the teachings focus on is cutting ties... to family,
> friends, life... so this is just one more sad way to brainwash
> small children (any children) into thinking it is a goal to cut your
> ties from everything... I am surprised they didn't come up with
> some sort of "tie" in, where they should cute all ties except those
> to the wonderful eck masters, and the current god man of the entire
> I would like to share a "better" Spritual exercise that I would
> encourage any parent/s to use while attempting to show an example
> that WE ARE ALL CONNECTED. (NOT DISCONNECTED!) I found a lovely book
> while I was still an eckie, that I felt was far better in teaching
> children about spirituality. The book is titled, Nurturing
> Spirituality in Children, by Peggy J. Jenkins, PH.D.
> This exercise would go over far better in most age groups, than the
> neck tie that binds! Besides, they get to take home a cool project