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Re: The New Eck Year of Giving and Taking Coming Soon!

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  • prometheus_973
    Klemp s take on the upcoming Eck Spiritual New Year, on PT s birthdate of Oct. 22, for 2005-2006 is titled The Year of Giving a.k.a. You Giving and Me
    Message 1 of 7 , Aug 19, 2006
      Klemp's take on the upcoming Eck Spiritual New Year, on PT's
      birthdate of Oct. 22, for 2005-2006 is titled "The Year of Giving"
      a.k.a. "You Giving and Me Taking" LOL! So, according to HK "only
      love and service can make a difference" to Eckists when looking at
      the upheavals in the world. This is the Eck Spiritual Exercise of
      Burying the Head into the Sand or de-Nile (ancient secret H.I.

      Yes, this is the phoney Mahanta's phoney "Gift." Interesting that
      Klemp uses this quote from the Shariyat Book One (in the current
      EWWS literature): "The words of the Mahanta alone can change the
      world, completely and irrevocably." How do mundane words directed to
      only Eckists or to potential "paying" members mean anything to the
      world or help to make changes in consciousness? How do "loser"
      comments to his chelas spread the message of love?

      This review will analyze what Klemp is actually saying, implying,
      or Not saying versus what this Sun Valley Eckist is imagining he is
      saying. Also, I disagree that "A surprising number of chelas missed
      his article." This, also, is an imagined assumption. The truth is
      that Klemp really didn't take a stand or say much of anything to
      get excited about. It was a typical ho-hum response by a anti-social
      farmboy/preacher wannabe who flew under the radar and rode in on
      the coat-tails of two scammers that also claimed to be saviors.



      "A Warning . . . . .
      In the June 2005 issue of the Mystic World Sri Harold warned of the
      massive upheaval in the world. A surprising number of chelas missed
      his article.

      Never before. . .
      The Master has never come out with such a strong message. But as
      always he offered a solution: 'Only love and service' can make a
      difference, he said. 'The future is in your hands and depends upon
      you, and others like you' added Sri Harold. (Ask the Master, page 5,
      June 2005 Mystic World)

      ss - Sun Valley, CA"



      Q: "We now have the ECKANKAR Spiritual Center on the same ground as
      the Temple of ECK, the major ECK seminars in Minneapolis, and even
      more focus on Vahana work in the RESA structure."

      1.) "How will that affect ECKANKAR and the life of the chelas all
      over the world--now and in the future?"

      2.) "And what about the world in general?"

      Me: It seems to me that Klemp is isolating himself and Eckankar.
      Instead of spreading out or reaching out through travel to various
      cities Klemp is having everything confined to the Minneapolis area.
      The volunteer Vahana effort is just a way of giving "busy work"
      (trainings, classes, intros, discussions, making plans, organizing,
      etc.) so that Eckists will continue to live in the future versus the
      now, and remain distracted and tied to the promise of God
      Realization through Initiation and position. Anway, let's see how
      Klemp answers these two questions.

      HK: "Watch to see how this plays out. The future is in your hands
      and depends upon you and others like you."

      Me: How long does it take to "play out?" Klemp has been the
      LEM/Mahanta since 1981! What does HK mean by the future being "in
      your hands and depends upon you and others like you?" Are Eckists
      supposed to be pro-active for world peace, recycle, use less energy,
      or is their higher vibratory rate (consciousness) going to raise
      world consciousness? Will having more HU Chants raise world

      HK: "Yes, there is a great spiritual significance in that the new
      ECKANKAR spiritual Center joins the ECK Temple and chapel on the ECK

      Me: Okay, what is this "great spiritual significance?" Please
      explain this and give examples! Also, I always thought that the
      true Seat of Power was where ever the LEM/Mahanta resided -
      otherwise these are just buildings. What was HK's home address
      again? : )

      HK: "Yet that is hardly the beginning and the end of it. Nor is the
      fact that this is the Year of the ECK Missionary."

      Me: Okay, nothing much said here either. BTW - How did last year
      (Year of the Eck Missionary) turn out? What were the results
      compared to previous years? Because there should be some great
      improvements with the ESC, Temple, chapel, World Wide Seminar, and
      Year of the Missionary all bunched together - right?

      HK: "Each element is certainly an important part of the whole, BUT
      only love and service will make any success come true. So it's up
      to you (and you, and you)."

      Me: Okay, so was there enough love and service in 2005 to make the
      Year of the Missionary a success compared to previous years? It
      would be nice to know what the results were and how much donation
      money (and how many donated service hours per Vahana) it takes to
      bring in a new member. Is it now something like $50 dollars and 25
      hours of service per Vahana = one new member? Was this worse than
      last year or better? Which local areas spent the most or least money
      and/or hours per new member?

      HK: "How will this affect the world and all within it?"

      Me: Well, this is the question you've been dancing around!

      HK: "A quickening of the spiritual currents is in the works. The
      purification of Souls will speed up."

      Me: Oh, so the LEM/Mahanta will now start to uplift the world
      consciousness because the ESC, Temple, chapel, EWWS, and because of
      the success of the Vahana effort (finally) and because of all of
      those ECK High Initiates and their Higher Consciousness!

      HK: "The table of politics, economics, and order in society are
      due to turn upside down. There will be unrest of the deepest kind.
      BUT you will feel at peace."

      Me: What! This seems to be a very negative view of the world and
      of life in general. So tell me again of the "great spiritual
      significance" of the bundled together Eck compound. Is Klemp going
      to build high rise condos for Eckists on the Eckankar property and
      wall it in! Will it be wholly self-sufficient with a natural foods
      grocery etc., etc.? What will that cost, when will ground breaking
      begin, what are the qualifications and restrictions to get on the
      list? It's a good thing that (at least) Eckists won't have to
      worry and will "feel at peace."

      HK: "Something will always be boiling over in human affairs. Yet
      sanctuary, peace, and contentment are in ready supply in the higher
      states of consciousness."

      Me: So does this mean that there won't be an Eck compound and high
      rise condos near the ESC or Temple? Is happiness and peace just a
      state of mind? How about the rest of the world for all those
      Vahanas - what are they to do? Ah, just close your eyes to it all
      and HU. Don't worry about the suffering of the non-believers (non-
      Eckists) it's their karma! Don't worry about the animals either!
      It's karmic! The LEM/Mahanta can't prevent the Kali Yuga or can
      he? Can the love of the Mahanta the incarnation of Sugmad intervene?
      Well, if he was actually all that he claims he could prevent war or
      his presence (and his H.I.'s) could even raise world consciousness -
      BUT, Klemp's not really who or what he claims.

      HK: "The Spiritual Exercises of ECK are your means to enter them.
      They will be your solace. They are the spring-board to love divine,
      to a love that excels all other things. Take heart, the sun shines
      on all who love God, the ECK, and the Mahanta."

      Me: What happened to Sugmad versus God? There is a difference (see
      pages 385-386 in HK's Autobiography)! And, which "sun" does Klemp
      talk about? The one in this small insignificant solar system! It
      seems that Klemp is once again encouraging Eckists to feel and
      behave as elitists and to place themselves upon pedestals above

      Yes, just do the S.E. of Eck and all will be well in your delusional
      and selfish little minds he instructs. Where did Klemp give true
      direction or current answers for living in this here and now?
      Conflict has always been with mankind, however, consciousness is
      slowly increasing. Klemp paints a bleak picture as does other
      religious fundamentalists who are anticipating the Rapture or
      Armageddon or 72 virgins some other sort of nonsense to exclude
      others. Talk is cheap for HK and this type of bible thumper. They
      know nothing of true Love or of Spirit. Religious leaders and new
      saviors are in the business of seeking followers to trick and scam
      for whatever means they see fit and justified to use them for.

      Many chelas have heard Klemp's pitiful side-stepping of questions
      before and this is another reason for the lack concern. Eckists
      have become passive. They did not "miss" this article as the Sun
      Valley chela stated. really, is it any wonder that Vahana efforts
      are difficult to get off the ground when Klemp encourages Eckists to
      hide in a cave and HU themselves to sleep as a solution to the
      upheavel in the world! Eckists should ask themselves how they differ
      from a pebble. Is the whole Vahana effort to get people to use the
      HU as a sort of self-centered mind numbing drug, or to bring in more
      annual $$$ memberships? Vahanas are like drug pushers! What good is
      Higher Consciousness if it is not used to benefit mankind and and if
      it does not raise world or universal consciousness!?

      Klemp's answers should really make Eckists re-think the position
      Eckankar is taking in this world.

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