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  • prometheus_973
    The initiates, mainly of the Fifth Circle, DO NOT SUFFER from INSANITY, INSTABILITY, NEUROSIS, or WORRY. They can stand up under sufferings which the Kal
    Message 1 of 1 , Jul 18, 2006
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      "The initiates, mainly of the Fifth Circle, DO NOT SUFFER from
      INSANITY, INSTABILITY, NEUROSIS, or WORRY. They can stand up under
      sufferings which the Kal force tries to inflict upon them.
      RESISTANCE to DISEASE, ACCIDENTS, and OTHER POOR PHYSICAL SURVIVAL
      FACTORS ARE COMMON TO THESE SPIRITUAL ECK INITIATES. The HIGHER ONE
      GOES in the INITIATIONS THE GREATER BECOME HIS SURVIVAL FACTORS,
      BOTH in the PSYCHIC and the SPIRITUAL WORLDS." [Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad
      Books One & Two, ch.9, pg.165 (MY caps)]

      "VIBRATION is the MANIFESTATION of ACTION by the ECK, BUT INITIATION
      is by the SUGMAD and carried via the Sound through all the
      universes. The chela learns this secret from the Mahanta AFTER his
      SEVENTH INITIATION." [Shariyat Books 1&2, Ch.12, pg.225 (My caps)]

      LOL! Isn't this such a joke! Quite a bit of wishful/delusional
      thinking going on here in Eckie world (i.e. Bizaro World). H.I.s
      should look around at other H.I.s or at themselves! This is not real
      life for Eckists. Eckists know that this part of their Holy Book is
      wrong. What else is wrong in these Eck teachings?

      Actually, if one looks closely at the Shariyat quotes they will see
      that the opposite is true. There is a high number of Eckists who
      tend to be INSANE, UNSTABLE, MENTALLY IMBALANCED (like HK), and
      Eckists WORRY a lot, especially, about getting that next initiation.
      And, Eckists DO NOT have RESISTANCE to DISEASE and ACCIDENTS. Nor do
      Eckists have greater SURVIVAL FACTORS or skills that increase as
      they go "higher."

      Isn't it interesting to see this 7th or 8th INITIATION CARROT being
      dangled?! This time Eckists are told that they can only learn this
      SECRET of VIBRATION and the MANIFESTATION of ACTION "after" the 7th
      INITIATION! Does this mean AFTER receiving the 7th Initiation, or
      does it mean AFTER receiving the 8th Initiation it will be revealed?

      Of course the Catch-22 is that this was written by PT back around
      1967. Therefore, according to Klemp, even an 8th Initiate during
      this period of world consciousness would be the equivalent of a what
      level today? Maybe a 4th or 5th Initiate? HK has stated that 2nd
      Initiates back then would be "several notches lower" today.

      This is another problem with Klemp's own view of past information,
      perspective, opinion, and consciousness. HK uses quotes from the
      King James version of the Bible and other "historic" sources and
      seems to have no problem with this while degrading Twitchell's
      perspective and consciousness. Onece again, why does Klemp
      continue to use the Shariyats written by Twitchell back in 1967 if
      that consciousness is not up to today's standards?

      Here are two questions for Klemp, and for his 7th Initiates.

      1.) Eckists receiving the 7th Initiation in 1985 or earlier - What
      level of initiation (consciousness) are they equivelant to now?

      2.) Since Twitchell was a 14th Initiate in 1971 (at his death) -
      What level of initiation (consciousness) would that be equivelant to
      now?

      Prometheus
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