Re: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Digest Number 381
> 2. LTG 3 and Max Freeman LonLiz, I *promise* that no later than Monday, I'll go
> From: ewickings@...
thru the bags & boxes & find LTG III. Maybe even
tonight - a few of them are in very accessible places
and it might only take me a few minutes.
Still "recovering" from vacation - BTW, has anyone
else checked out http://www.realage.com ? I was
*horrified* at my results which I won't mention right
now, other than right now I *do* feel like my own
grandmother - dead!! <gg>
Hope everyone's enjoying beautiful summer weather,
wherever you are!! My idea of "beautiful summer" is
75F, tops. <gg>
- Geez, last night I got my "second wind", found LTG III and posted a
response - but I just found a "failure" notice in my inbox!! So here
it is again, a day later....
> 2. LTG 3 and Max Freeman Lonweather, pray a
> Posted by: "ewickings@..." ewickings@...
> Date: Fri Jun 16, 2006 4:40 pm (PDT)
> Well folks, after doing some research, I want to ask
> a question before I go
> If someone has a copy of LTG 3 could they please
> look up the letter titled
> "Mathematics and Word Symbols April 15th 1964"
> Next please tell me if in this letter, the 12th
> paragraph reads as follows:
> "One of the best studies on this is the book The
> Secret Science Behind
> Miracles by Max Freeman Lon(g), who looked into the
> power which the priest cult of
> Hawaii, the (capitalized)kahunas, used to control
> man to death, tell yourI put corrections in ( ).
> future, or travel out of body to distant places and
> report back on what was
> being done in that distant place. This is one of the
> most interesting books that
> you can pick up, for it will give you more about the
> occult study than those
> you have been reading." (end quote)
> When I first posted info on this I had forwarded aMy version of LTG III is copyright 1990, Eckankar.
> cut and past of the
> message sent to Ford's TS bb. I purposely spelled
> the name of the author "Max
> Freeman Lon" though I did accidentally add the g to
> the name. In LTG 3 Paul
> Twitchell does not spell the author's name
> correctly. But he does reference
> the title of the book correctly.
What version did you have, or were you re-posting what someone else
had typed up, omitting the "g" in "Long"?
> Science Behind Miracles doesI'm surprised to see that if his name was originally
> exists, but the correct spelling of the author is
> "Max Freedom Long" as I also
> listed in the referenced post I copied to this
> group from TS.
> I guess my goal was the hopes that maybe an Eckist
> would email one of the
> groups ( ESA, or TS) to correct the error. But of
> course that never happened.
> So I am going to my amateur observations and
> then see where this goes.
> It is my belief Paul Twitchell DELIBERATLY miss
> spelled Max Freedom Long's
> name, though he did share the correct title of the
> book he mentioned to Gail.
> I'm not positive but I wonder if it was more
> difficult to reference a book
> to an author during the days of the old? Now a days
> you can go on the net and
> do a google search and find anything you are
> looking for!
spelled "Lon", that the error was corrected in a later
edition, when you consider so much editing that
perhaps *should* have been done in so much of Twitch's
> So, I have been able to purchase two books by MaxSeveral copies are available right now at:
> Freedom Long, The Secret
> Science Behind Miracles, and also The Huna Code in
> Religions. I have not come
> across the one titled The Secret Science at Work,
> but I am still searching!
>Who were the letters sent to????
> Now for the really interesting find! A couple days
> ago I purchased two
> envelops (mail) dated 1952 by Max Freedom Long,
> containing personal
> correspondences to an individual requesting
> information and Bulletins (or what some might
> call a discourse). In one of the correspondences
> are secret words! Yep,
> and I might be wrong but they sure sound like some
> of the secret words
> listed in the Initiators Handbook!
Twitch mentioned studying several cults and mentioned
the "tactics" they used succesfully in Letters to a
> So if anyone is game, how about listing those secretShoot, didn't run across the initiator's handbook in
> words that sound oh so
> Hawaiian so we can compare them to Max Freedom
> Long's. (Well if you would
> rather send them privately to me that would work
> too) I am also still
> interested in comparing the Death Prayer by Max and
> Paul Twitchell's version.
the bags I just went thru, looking for LTG III - I'll
get to it ASAP!!!
Wait a sec - I'll check the a.r.e. archives!! I might
have posted them all at ET, but last time I used their
search function it only worked for one page of
messages at a time, so doing a search would take
Hey, while doing a search, I found these old posts
from 2000 - what a hoot!! I don't remember ever
From:the_troll_speaks - view profile
Date:Mon, Oct 16 2000 12:00 am
Sharon, I would be willing to pay you good money, up
to fifty dollars a
month for three months, if you would transcribe the
handbook on this forum. Page for Page. I can trust you
to transcribe it
as it appears. Some other folks here have poor reading
skills. Do you
have a copy of such a book ?-Troll
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
From:Galuuk - view profile
Date:Mon, Oct 16 2000 12:00 am
Not yet rated
Troll makes a proposition to Sharon....
<<< Sharon, I would be willing to pay you good
money, up to fifty dollars
month for three months, if you would transcribe the
handbook on this forum. >>>
If Sharon had such a book, she would have had to steal
it at some point. That
in itself is a criminal offense. Beyond that,
publishing its pages without
express written consent from the author and publisher
is also a criminal act.
You might want to consult David Lane on the
unauthorized publication of
Hmmm, I must've seen these posts since I replied: "If
I had it, I'd post it myself...for free. Sharon"
Well, I couldn't find anywhere where I'd posted the
SECRET WORDS <giggle> - odd that they don't capitalize
that, in the tacky way they capitalize other eckwords.
But oh horrors, I ran across some of my old posts as
> Is it just me, or does it seem like Paul wasMore likely it was a typo, although he *did* make up
> attempting to *hide* who and
> where he was getting some of his material from Max
> Freedom Long? ;-) There
> is no mistaken it!!! Paul listed "The Secret
> Science Behind Miracles" in LTG3
> did he accidentally spell the authors name.... a
all those eckmaster names & other "speshul" cultwords.
That long list of "credits" was at the end of LTG 1
or 2, neither of which are handy right now, so I can't
check the spelling in this list of books he
recommended that Gail read. Eckthugs frequently claim
this booklist was his way of crediting the authors he
plagiarized; however, this was simply a list of
recommended reading for Gail, in private letters
*before* they concocted the cult. At the time he
wrote the letters, there was no reason to lie to Gail
about the sources of his "teachings".
> Regardless as to the spelling, the facts seem toHe managed to steal from everywhere and everything,
> point toward the Huna info
> was used by Paul Twitchell.
didn't he? It'll be wonderful if you spot more
plagiarism, to add to the ever-growing list of new
discoveries ever since Clergyboy Rich Smith issued his
"challenge" some years back!! So much new stuff has
been found since David Lane started the "Centre for
Twitchellian Plagiarism" website, where he never got
to typing up and posting the already existing
Okay, I'm just going to let this sit here while I go
hunt up the Initiator's Handbook!!
Sorry, can't find it - as a fairly recent acquisition
and not quite a "book", more of a big pamphlet, it's
in one of my "recent" bags (paper in plastic is often
much better than boxes!) of paperwork, files, etc.
But I *did* find the flyswatter!!! <ggg> I've got
one of those darned pesky little "ankle" flies!!
Whether it gets swatted or not, at least with the
flyswatter in my hand in plain sight, it's hiding out
somewhere and not bothering me!!
Wow, this "second wind" has been fun, but ohmigod, I
*must* get my lazy behind moving *before* I start
stuff like looking up eckquotes, etc., again, and get
organized so I won't end up with a big mess.
Liz, I'm sort of sorry that my edition of LTG doesn't
have "Long" misspelled "Lon" ... but the "Kahuna"
connection is quite interesting! Did you know that
Twitch claimed to have spent some time on some Pacific
Island, pearl-diving and learning about voodoo?
My nickname in high school was "The Kahuna" - isn't
that sort of funny?
Gotta go, and I hope to find the handbook by Monday!
- --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "Sharon"
> > "One of the best studies on this is the book The Secret ScienceBehind Miracles by Max Freeman Lon(g), who looked into the power
which the priest cult of Hawaii, the (capitalized)kahunas, used to
control weather, pray a man to death, tell your future, or travel out
of body to distant places and report back on what was being done in
that distant place."
*** I realized the last name was spelled incorrectly. What I really
question is if Paul wrote "Freeman" as the middle name? Or was that
an oversite / typo on the person that provided me the paragraph?
> I'm surprised to see that if his name was originally*** I think it was most likely a typo for the last name. But the
> spelled "Lon", that the error was corrected in a later
> edition, when you consider so much editing that
> perhaps *should* have been done in so much of Twitch's
author's name should say Max Freedom Long, "Freedom" not Freeman.
Sharon can you verify what your copy says? Since your copy of LTG3
is a 1990 copy, maybe Darwin Gross would have a copy earlier than
that we could verify comparisons with? I forgot, he was forced to
give all that stuff back? ;-)
> Now for the really interesting find! A couple days ago I purchasedtwo envelops (mail) dated 1952 by Max Freedom Long,
>*** It wasn't sent to Paul Twit, so I won't mention the person's name
> Who were the letters sent to????
here. But these letters contained numerous references to L.Ron
Hubbard, Dianetics, and the new Scientology, Bach Remedies, etc... as
well, some secret words that were being used in Rituals, a huge list
of references in their HRA Bulletins, which I am not sure but might
still be available somewhere out there? (and do I want to bother
researching and sifting through them if I could get ahold of them?)
>*** Some of the stuff I'm reading by Max "Freedom" Long is so OLD
> Twitch mentioned studying several cults and mentioned
> the "tactics" they used succesfully in Letters to a
SCHOOL and boring! But a lot of it sounds like Twit, some even word
for word stuff I know I have read in the past by Twit. But I don't
have any of my Twit Material other than two books. I don't feel like
spending any money on purchasing up Pauls' older stuff. Any of Twit's
stuff after Klump took over, you can bet it was all re written!
Darn, wish I had kept some of my ekult CRAP!
> --------------------------------it at some point. That in itself is a criminal offense. Beyond
> If Sharon had such a book, she would have had to steal
that, publishing its pages without express written consent from the
author and publisher is also a criminal act. You might want to
consult David Lane on the unauthorized publication of copyrited
> ---------------------------------*** LOL hmmm well seems there must be plenty of ex HI's out there
> Hmmm, I must've seen these posts since I replied: "If
> I had it, I'd post it myself...for free. Sharon"
handing over those super secret handbooks to researchers! ;-) Would
it be copyrite infringment if some of us just shared our secret
words? (that all are very Hawiian sounding / spelled!)
Anyway, if I get some extra free time this week, I'll post the Death
Prayer given by Max Freedom Long, and maybe by then Paul Twit's will
be located and posted as well, for comparisons?
BTW huna means secret, and anana the death prayer. So many words,
sounds, and meanings in the books by Max Freedom Long, so much like
Twit. Did this guy even have an original thought of his own!?