Re: On HCS, etc.
- Leigh, Let me step in here.
Right now the Bulletin Boards are the thing with Ford's group.
Nothing else is happening. Ford reads and approves all posts. He
also posts his opinions as well--hence, the comments he made about
You are making an assumption that many of us here have not had the
Ford experience. All one has to do is sign up and you can do all the
look around that you want. It seems, to me, that Prometheus has more
knowledge of HCS than you are giving him credit.
Anyone can go in and read Ford's specific posts, disregard everyone
else's, and you can get the picture of Ford's vision. That's all you
have to do, plus of course read the book. My problem has been the
way he seems to support or approve of everything and anything in
order to get more participants (it appears to me). Now what kind of
New Spiritual Paradigm is that? It's being made up as it goes along
and will be whatever it becomes. : )
--- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "l2eigh"
> --- InEckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973"
> <prometheus_973@y...> wrote:etc.,
> > Hi Leigh and Mish,
> > I think the whole God-soul, Soul, Self-Realization, Spiritual
> > Consciousness, God Consciousness, God-Awareness, I AM, etc.,
> > etc. thing is mostly just semantics. And, as for imagination...each
> > that's the foundation for all belief!
> There are common (limited)
> > physical, mental, emotional, and intuitive perceptions that we
> > have as we form our groupings of personal identityconsciousness,
> > but after that we then rationalize and make assumptions based onour
> > perceived existence through imaginations.ways to look at things, feel
> But, all this stuff is how we produce philosophies, too. "Better"
> about things, see things, think about ourselves, and our fellowhuman beings, and so-on.
> Just my perceived opinion.
> > As far as Ford goes... yes I wonder how he justifies
> > with aliens as "real" as well as the fake and imagined ECKMasters
> > of Twitchell?tries to describe how
> He's very big on his visionary experiences, his "inpicturings" and
> people do this for themselves.etc.,
> > The thing that gets me most about Ford is his permissiveness and
> > lack of responsibility in allowing Betty and Mario (his HCS
> > representatives in Canada) to promote the cult propaganda of
> > Cassiopaea (Knowledge Protects), TRANCEformation of America,
> > etc. on his sites.the group, get the email,
> I think the bulletin boards are something else. You'd have to join
> discussions, bulletins, whatever. But my sense is that the publicbulletin boards are
> outside that. Something that anyone can come along and do a pitchon (within reason).
> Why? Ford has said of Eckankar, "As a God-seeker,
> > I will not rest until I have overtuned every rock, read every
> > and looked at everything I can find to reach the truth aboutthis
> > teaching, which events suggested lay hidden within Eckankar."[page
> > 84, "Confessions"] So, why does not Ford look into thesepromotions
> > of Betty H. and Marioof yourself in charge of,
> Just thinking rhetorically, and not in any sense in defense, think
> leading, managing, any group. How do you not be a totalitarian?How do you not stifle
> creativity and freedom of expression? (I've got a good suggestionand if anyone's
> interested I'll share it) Where do you draw the line? How do youcircumscribe behavior?
> What's given me the great, enormous laugh about this from thebeginning is that I knew
> and know that Ford is going to find out what the problem is withEckankar as a group by
> forming this one of his and trying to manage it.the
> as he has of Eckankar? One doesn't have to
> > look far to find information and see the illegal con and cult of
> > Laura Knight's Cassiopaea... and Ford's a lawyer! Or, the con of
> > erotic insanity and mind control conspiracy of Mark Phillips andthe group, and may not
> > Cathy O'Brian of the TRANCEformation of America cult!
> Pro'. If we're just looking at the bulletin boards, which are not
> reflect it, any more than what's on the bulletin board of asupermarket reflects the chain,
> the board of directors, the business philosophy, and the customerrelations policy, how do
> we know?of
> > Perhaps, the problem lies with Ford's working concept of the Law
> > Duality/Polarity (page 461, "Confessions").here?
> Aren't we extrapolating an awful lot from very little insight,
> "Within everything that
> > is positive there lies the seeds of its transformation to the
> > negative. Then too, both the positive and the negative exist
> > simultaneously in every situation and thing." However, Ford also
> > states a few sentences down, "A focus on spiritual goals,
> > every situation to serving the Great Work, will insure it stayson
> > course and remains true to ALL THAT IS." So, how is permittingthese
> > lies and this cult consciousness on the TS/HCS BBs helpingto "focus
> > on spiritual goals" or "insure it (the Great Work) stays oncourse
> > and remains true to ALL THAT IS?" How does that happen? Fordgoes on
> > to say of HCS (page 465 of "Confessions of a God Seeker")that, "The
> > movement will be a pure channel and protector of this work withthe
> > Society functioning as the legal entity around which the outeran
> > organization will evolve. This movement will work closely with
> > affiliated structure responsible for revealing truth aboutreligions
> > and spiritual deception. This organization is the Friends ofTruth,
> > which will work primarily through its web site, www.thetruth-ever
> > seeker.com." Ford goes on to mention his
> > higherconsciousnesssociety.com (org)site as well. Anyway, what
> > happened to truth? Perhaps, it got lost when the agendas becamesample what's going on
> > conflicted.
> > Prometheus
> Perhaps the thing to do is go into the group, look around, and
> there first. Isn't this kind of like looking at a person's clothesand deciding from that, that
> you know everything there is or ever will be to know about them?that anyone I know of
> You may be dead on. But based on the little information I know and
> knows, I know that I can't say all this at this time.