Re: From a.r.e.: Change yourself and move ahead
- Hi, Ingrid!
Thanks for reposting G. Peck's critical analysis of other former
eckists. It seems that Garland is clueless while thinking he knows
more than others.
What I'd like to know is why in the hECK is pECK defending ECK? I
couldn't help noticing the "eck" in Peck! I would imagine that has
grabbed Peck for a long time! lol?
It seems that pECK should do what he is preaching to other ex-
eckists--he should change himself and move ahead. For beginners, I
suggest that he come down off the lofty pedestal he has climbed up
on, and act like a normal human being, instead of remaining the
arrogant pretenser he displays to those he likes to judge with
criticisms! Maybe he needs to establish his own following so he can
feel better about himself. He seems to be begging for personal
attention . . . or maybe he just needs a life! : )
Tianyue's response to Peck on A.R.E. is excellent, but it seems that
Peck has not bothered to consider these remarks. Prometheus does a
good job here as well. The way G. Peck continues to repeat his
message over and over, I have come to believe that he speaks but
doesn't listen to anyone but himself. I bet he doesn't even bother
to read what others reply to him as it is obvious his mind is
snapped shut (closed) to other's ideas. And that is why he is the
one stuck and will remain stuck, perhaps until the end of all time!
--- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "ctecvie"
this is a very good response by Tianyue to G. Peck's notorious
talkdowns :-). Enjoy!
Re: Change Yourself And Move Ahead
by "tianyue" <tianyue@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 23, 2006 at 07:30 PM
Garland C. Peck wrote:
Taking into consideration all the topics and discussions that
one can get into, one fact remains. ..... You must do it for
Karma, often being an overused excuse and blanket statement to
cover every condition. Instead of looking bad by openly stating, I
have no Idea what's going on it's easier to blame karma. For those
who have accepted the concepts of reincarnation, karma is unfinished
business brought along from a past life and perhaps some of what we
face is due to past transgressions. Clearly to some extent we are
responsible for the life we have created for ourselves from past
What about the greed and weakness that we are facing in this
life. How easily we blindly turn our lives over to another, and
then cry that they took advantage .... Of course they took
advantage, " you allowed them to. "People are on a pedestal because
you put them there. Has anyone since leaving Eckankar, honestly
taken a look at themselves and asked what about me made this
possible ..... and what do I have to change to prevent it from
The emotional, mental and physical states that allowed so many
to fall into a trap have remained unchanged and thus it can be
guaranteed that it will happen again. The weakness, misunderstanding
and lack of self responsibility will demand a repetition of the
experience. Is anyone saying, since Eckankar I've strengthen my
views on self-reliance or is everyone still blaming Harold Klemp. Is
anyone saying since leaving Eckankar I've learned to better manage
my money or is everyone still blaming Harold Klemp for taking from
them in the past. Is anyone saying since leaving Eckankar I've
learned to correct an emotional need for approval and can now stand
on my own or is everyone still blaming Harold Klemp for misguiding
Has anyone having left Eckankar have truly taken the time to
look at "themselves " and ask what about me made this possible.
Nothing can or will change unless people are willing to start with
themselves, with their own limitations. Life is not about Eckankar
it's about yourself and what you choose to do with what you have.
Correct your own weaknesses, face your own misconceptions and take
the necessary step to improve yourselves. What ever condition at the
time that made Eckankar part of your life will of itself create a
similar condition .... only you can change this.
No one is going to live your life for you, but they surely will take
advantage of it if you given the conditions to do so.
Change your life conditions and move ahead OR leave them as they are
and stay where you.
Tianyue replied this way to Garland:
Most, if not all the people I know who have left Eckankar have
asked themselves what made them susceptible to becoming fooled by
Eckankar and Paul Twitchell. What on earth ever made you think
former members don't contemplate such issues? From my conversations
with many of such people, I'd say it is possibly the first thought
that occurs to them after they realize they've been duped. I've not
met one who doesn't take personal responsibility for falling into
the trap. Your assumption is a sweeping generalization about former
members. How many former members do you personally know well? I know
several, and not one of them fits the description you give.
Most former members are very empowered from the experience, from
what I've seen. Most are not likely to make the same error of being
too trusting again. Most have learned enormously from the
experience, and are much more savy and wise about spirituality than
they were before.
But taking responsibility doesn't mean the responsiblity is
absolute, as if all responsibility were limited to just former
members. While there is often some responsibility for things that
happen on both sides of any issue, the responsiblity is not always
equally distributed, by any means.
For example, it could be said that the employees of Enron who lost
their pensions should have been wiser, perhaps, in their trust of
the corporation they worked for, and should have negotiated for
better safeguards of their futures. They could have put the funds in
a trust that was offlimits to corporate officials and bankruptcy
laws. But they trusted, and now they are penniless. Does this excuse
Enron officials from wrongdoing?
It would be ridiculous to blame the employees for the mess, even if
they might have been better negotiators with union contracts and
agreements. This is why the Enron execs are being prosecuted. To
suggest blaming the employees would be absurd. Even if the notion
they could have looked out for themselves a little better is somehow
remotely true, no one has been so callous as to blame them. Would
you say it was all their fault and accuse them of being too
trusting? Would you not hold the execs accountable?
Also, taking personal responsibility may include the
responsibility to voice opinions that might be of use to others. For
example, the Enron employees could set up a foundation to advise
others of ways to protect themselves from corporate theft. Of
course, those who defend eckankar would like this sort of civic
responsibility to be forgotten, and they clamor for silence from
those who have awakened from the delusion of eckankar's antics. This
is, ironically, asking the former members to shirk the
responsibility of expressing to the community what they have
discovered. Thus, it is clear that responsibility is being defined
rather selectively by those who accuse eckankar critics of lacking
Think about this, Garland: Eckankar filed a lawsuit against David
Lane to seek legal protection from Lane's actions. This is the
ultimate legal recourse for a victim: To appeal to the justice
system for justice. So, it is clear eckankar officials saw eckankar
as a victim in need of legal protection from the courts. Otherwise,
why seek help from courts?
It seems there is some hypocrisy underlying the notion that
eckankar former members don't accept responsibility in having been
duped, even as eckankar is seen as a victim by its own officials.
Why didn't the eckankar officials just let karma take care of
things? Wasn't it eckankar's karma to have Lane write his book?
After all, we're talking about self responsibility, aren't we? Does
eckankar and its leaders accept responsibility for their actions, or
not? Do they accept that what happens to eckankar is eckankar's
Interesting...the way these things get so twisted in peoples minds.