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  • mishmisha9
    Hi, All! Here s another interesting spiritual exercise that Klemp offers in his book Those Wonderful ECK Masters! It is a rather simple exercise and
    Message 1 of 3 , Apr 1, 2006
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      Hi, All!

      Here's another interesting spiritual exercise that Klemp offers in
      his book "Those Wonderful ECK Masters!" It is a rather simple
      exercise and certainly will not fail, as you will notice when you
      read the instructions! LOL! From page 130:

      "A Spiritual Exercise to Meet Towart Managi"

      "Sit in a quiet place, shut your eyes, then gently focus full
      attention on your Third Eye. It is the seat of Soul in the physical
      body. Its location is in the center of the head, behind and between
      the eyebrows. This Third Eye is also called the Spiritual Eye and
      serves as a window between our physical world and the worlds of God
      beyond.
      Now, softly chant the word aum. It is a passkey to gain access to
      the Mental Plane. After a while, you may expect to hear the
      murmuring sound of running water. Ask ECK Master Towart Managi to
      take you to the Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad on the Mental Plane.
      The Shariyat may appear to you as a book, a field of glowing white
      light, or even as heavenly music or magnificent images of some kind.
      However it reveals itself, be sure to open your heart to God's love.
      Then simply enjoy the divine message it imparts to you."

      So basically Klemp is saying that the Shariyat can appear as
      anything your mind conjures up! If you see a bird, hear a car horn
      honking, or a flame of colors of any kind, yada, yada, you can
      imagine, if you truly want to believe his crap, that you are seeing
      the holy book of eck, the Shariyat! Whatever you imagine (or
      whatever anyone else imagines) is correct. Any vision you see or
      sound you hear during this spiritual exercise will be the Shariyat!
      It's as simple as that--and doing this exercise as so stated will
      turn you into a believer of the eck teachings--and your next step in
      spiritual unfoldment in eckankar is to write that check and send in
      your membership fee. Then you will be well on the road to exploring
      the higher planes of lies and deceptions that are the true teachings
      of eck! This is Klemp's distraction for eckists--for his inability
      in writing a Shariyat 3 or 4! Sadly, most eckists accept
      this without a question. : )

      Mish

      P.S. to Kaye: Thanks for the comments about the purpose for this
      site and others like it! You certainly are an inspiration for others
      to quit the eck org and perhaps also add their voices to our
      discussions! I really enjoy reading your perspectives and the
      information that you bring!
    • prometheus_973
      Hi Mish, It seems that Eckists are still using ASTRAL S.E. techniques! I wonder why Klemp, after 24 years as LEM/Mahanta, is still having both seekers and
      Message 2 of 3 , Apr 2, 2006
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        Hi Mish,
        It seems that Eckists are still using ASTRAL S.E. techniques! I
        wonder why Klemp, after 24 years as LEM/Mahanta, is still having
        both seekers and long-time Eckists use the Tisra Til?! And why does
        HK teach using AUM when all of his Vahanas are trying to teach the
        HU?! It seems he's behind-the-times and out-to-lunch and out-of-
        touch with present day reality.

        Anyway, below are a few more observations that show how the
        delusions and distortions of Klemp trickles down within the Eckankar
        hierarchy via the "doctrine of cycles... and fundamental principle
        in the psychic philosophy... AS Above So Below." [page 51 Eckankar
        LexiCon].


        mishmisha wrote:

        Hi, All!

        Here's another interesting spiritual exercise that Klemp offers in
        this book "Those Wonderful ECK Masters!" It is a rather simple
        exercise and certainly will not fail, as you will notice when you
        read the instructions! LOL! From page 130:

        "A Spiritual Exercise to Meet Towart Managi"

        [HK]: "Sit in a quiet place, shut your eyes, then gently focus full
        attention on your Third Eye. It is the seat of Soul in the physical
        body. Its location is in the center of the head, behind and between
        the eyebrows. This Third Eye is also called the Spiritual Eye and
        serves as a window between our physical world and the worlds of God
        beyond.


        [Me]: The Tisra Til is also called the tenth door and is Not even
        the highest of the ASTRAL chakras! The Crown Chakra (pg. 39) or
        Sahasra-dal-Kanwal is the highest ASTRAL chakra! The Shasra-dal-
        Kanwal (pg.179), according to Eckankar, is also the name of the
        capital city of the ASTRAL PLANE. Therefore, the Tisra Til (Shiva-
        Netra) is where beginners on any spiritual path start! Even in
        Radhasoami this is where the beginning spiritual student starts his
        journey (pg. 443, The Path of the Masters).


        [HK]: "Now, softly chant the word aum. It is a passkey to gain
        access to the Mental Plane. After a while, you may expect to hear
        the murmuring sound of running water. Ask ECK Master Towart Managi
        to take you to the Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad on the Mental Plane."


        [Me]: If one is focusing on the Tisra Til (Third Eye), a lower
        ASTRAL chakra, how does one reach the MENTAL PLANE? I would think
        that in order to leave the ASTRAL behind that one would begin with
        the top of the ASTRAL where the CROWN chakra is located and then
        chant AUM! Why does Eckankar teach focusing on a lower (Tisra Til)
        ASTRAL chakra and just change the words used like Aum, HU, etc.? Why
        Not leave at the top of the ASTRAL PLANE? This is mentioned in a
        discourse of PT's, but where else? Apparently this old Third Eye
        technique was never updated in the official Eck dogma by Klemp and
        he still uses it today!


        [HK]: "The Shariyat may appear to you as a book, a field of glowing
        white light, or even as heavenly music or magnificent images of some
        kind. However it reveals itself, be sure to open your heart to God's
        love. Then simply enjoy the divine message it imparts to you."


        [Me]: Yes yes it is anything and everything one can imagine and yet
        nothing at all. LOL! It has also been said that the "living"
        Shariyat is one's life! For Eckists this must mean accepting
        plagiarism and delusion as normal life. I guess that Klemp needs to
        update his own antiquated daffynitions in the LexiCon. I'm curious,
        though, since on page 189 of the Eckankar LexiCon states the "chelas
        of Eckankar are taken in the dream state to study these great
        scriptures" why is it that chelas can study Books 1 & 2 on the
        Physical Plane? And, in the discontinued book "Difficulties Of
        Becoming the Living ECK Master," by PT, it was mentioned that Twitch
        had written five chapters of the Shariyat 3 and was planning on
        writing more books! Of course, this fact also points out that
        Twitchell had No plans of dying anytime soon, was Not Aware of his
        own impending death and, therefore, because of this Could Not be an
        Eck Master! And, if Twitchell was Not a real Eck Master then Gross
        and Klemp can't be either! Anyway, this is one more reason why these
        historical books of Twitchell's have been destroyed by Klemp and
        company.


        MISH: So basically Klemp is saying that the Shariyat can appear as
        anything your mind conjures up! If you see a bird, hear a car horn
        honking, or a flame of colors of any kind, yada, yada, you can
        imagine, if you truly want to believe his crap, that you are seeing
        the holy book of eck, the Shariyat! Whatever you imagine (or
        whatever anyone else imagines) is correct. Any vision you see or
        sound you hear during this spiritual exercise will be the Shariyat!
        It's as simple as that--and doing this exercise as so stated will
        turn you into a believer of the eck teachings--and your next step in
        spiritual unfoldment in eckankar is to write that check and send in
        your membership fee. Then you will be well on the road to exploring
        the higher planes of lies and deceptions that are the true teachings
        of eck! This is Klemp's distraction for eckists--for his inability
        in writing a Shariyat 3 or 4! Sadly, most eckists accept this
        without a question. : )

        Mish
        P.S. to Kaye: Thanks for the comments about the purpose for this
        site and others like it! You certainly are an inspiration for others
        to quit the eck org and perhaps also add their voices to our
        discussions! I really enjoy reading your perspectives and the
        information that you bring!
      • prometheus_973
        Hi All, This post has been brought back and revised. Those Wonderful Eck Masters shows that Klemp is living in the past and is also a mean spirited loser.
        Message 3 of 3 , Nov 10, 2006
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          Hi All,
          This post has been brought back and revised. "Those Wonderful Eck
          Masters" shows that Klemp is living in the past and is also a mean
          spirited loser. Yet Klemp states that Twitchell's Mahanta
          Consciousness then was not as high as his is now. My guess is that
          PT was a spiritual giant (LOL!) compared to HK - but who isn't?!

          It seems that Eckists are still using ASTRAL Spiritual Exercise
          (S.E.) techniques! I wonder why Klemp, after 24 years as
          LEM/Mahanta, is still having both seekers and long-time Eckists use
          the Tisra Til (Third Eye)?! And is Klemp teaching AUM when all of
          his Vahanas are trying to teach the HU?! It seems he's behind-the-
          times, out-to-lunch, as well as, out-of-touch with present day
          reality.

          Anyway, below are a few more observations that show how the
          delusions and distortions of Klemp trickles down within the Eckankar
          hierarchy via the "Doctrine of Cycles... and fundamental principle
          in the psychic philosophy... AS Above So Below." [page 51 Eckankar
          LexiCon].

          BTW - There are 7 Chakras, however, on page 29 of Klemp's Lexicon
          there are 12 Chakras listed, not in order, some are duplicated, and
          the names Tisra Til or Third Eye are not mentioned! Even 8th
          initiate Tom Flamma thought that there were 8 Chakras and that the 4
          below the neck corresponded to the astral, causal, mental, and
          etheric Planes. Eckist are kept confused because it takes some
          effort and desire to figure things out. And, the Catch-22/paradox of
          a scam/cult uses is that one cannot find God Realization if one has
          any desire to know Truth and to not surrender their free will.

          http://www.sacredcenters.com/articles/gala.html


          mishmisha wrote:

          Hi, All!
          Here's another interesting spiritual exercise that Klemp offers in
          this book "Those Wonderful ECK Masters!" It is a rather simple
          exercise and certainly will not fail, as you will notice when you
          read the instructions! LOL! From page 130:

          "A Spiritual Exercise to Meet Towart Managi"

          [HK]: "Sit in a quiet place, shut your eyes, then gently focus full
          attention on your Third Eye. It is the seat of Soul in the physical
          body. Its location is in the center of the head, behind and between
          the eyebrows. This Third Eye is also called the Spiritual Eye and
          serves as a window between our physical world and the worlds of God
          beyond.


          [Me]: The Tisra Til is also called the tenth door and is Not even
          the highest of the ASTRAL chakras! The Crown Chakra (pg. 39) or
          Sahasra-dal-Kanwal is the highest ASTRAL chakra! The Shasra-dal-
          Kanwal (pg.179), according to Eckankar, is also the name of the
          capital city of the ASTRAL PLANE. Therefore, the Tisra Til (Shiva-
          Netra) is where beginners on any spiritual path start! Even in
          Radhasoami this is where the beginning spiritual student starts his
          journey (pg. 443, The Path of the Masters).


          [HK]: "Now, softly chant the word aum. It is a passkey to gain
          access to the Mental Plane. After a while, you may expect to hear
          the murmuring sound of running water. Ask ECK Master Towart Managi
          to take you to the Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad on the Mental Plane."


          [Me]: If one is focusing on the Tisra Til (Third Eye), a lower
          ASTRAL chakra, how does one reach the MENTAL PLANE? I would think
          that in order to leave the ASTRAL behind that one would begin with
          the top of the ASTRAL where the CROWN chakra is located and then
          chant AUM! Why does Eckankar teach focusing on a lower (Tisra Til)
          ASTRAL chakra and just change the words used like Aum, HU, etc.? Why
          Not leave at the top of the ASTRAL PLANE? This is mentioned in a
          discourse of PT's, but where else? Apparently this old Third Eye
          technique was never updated in the official Eck dogma by Klemp and
          he still uses it today!


          [HK]: "The Shariyat may appear to you as a book, a field of glowing
          white light, or even as heavenly music or magnificent images of some
          kind. However it reveals itself, be sure to open your heart to God's
          love. Then simply enjoy the divine message it imparts to you."


          [Me]: Yes yes it is anything and everything one can imagine and yet
          nothing at all. LOL! It has also been said that the "living"
          Shariyat is one's life! For Eckists this must mean accepting
          plagiarism and delusion as normal life. I guess that Klemp needs to
          update his own antiquated daffynitions in the LexiCon. I'm curious,
          though, since on page 189 of the Eckankar LexiCon states the "chelas
          of Eckankar are taken in the dream state to study these great
          scriptures" why is it that chelas can study Books 1 & 2 on the
          Physical Plane? And, in the discontinued book "Difficulties Of
          Becoming the Living ECK Master," by PT, it was mentioned that Twitch
          had written five chapters of the Shariyat 3 and was planning on
          writing more books! Of course, this fact also points out that
          Twitchell had No plans of dying anytime soon, was Not Aware of his
          own impending death and, therefore, because of this Could Not be an
          Eck Master! And, if Twitchell was Not a real Eck Master then Gross
          and Klemp can't be either! Anyway, this is one more reason why these
          historical books of Twitchell's have been destroyed by Klemp and
          company.


          MISH: So basically Klemp is saying that the Shariyat can appear as
          anything your mind conjures up! If you see a bird, hear a car horn
          honking, or a flame of colors of any kind, yada, yada, you can
          imagine, if you truly want to believe his crap, that you are seeing
          the holy book of eck, the Shariyat! Whatever you imagine (or
          whatever anyone else imagines) is correct. Any vision you see or
          sound you hear during this spiritual exercise will be the Shariyat!
          It's as simple as that--and doing this exercise as so stated will
          turn you into a believer of the eck teachings--and your next step in
          spiritual unfoldment in eckankar is to write that check and send in
          your membership fee. Then you will be well on the road to exploring
          the higher planes of lies and deceptions that are the true teachings
          of eck! This is Klemp's distraction for eckists--for his inability
          in writing a Shariyat 3 or 4! Sadly, most eckists accept this
          without a question. : )

          Mish
          P.S. to Kaye: Thanks for the comments about the purpose for this
          site and others like it! You certainly are an inspiration for others
          to quit the eck org and perhaps also add their voices to our
          discussions! I really enjoy reading your perspectives and the
          information that you bring!
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