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  • ewickings@aol.com
    In a message dated 3/17/2006 3:54:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ... about the wonderful ECK Masters, who they are, and what they ve already done for others
    Message 1 of 5 , Mar 18, 2006
      In a message dated 3/17/2006 3:54:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mishmisha9@... writes:
      >The purpose of this book is to answer these questions. You'll learn
      about the wonderful ECK Masters, who they are, and what they've
      already done for others like you. You'll read the real-life stories
      of people who've received assistance with health issues, personal
      concerns, and even finances. Above all, these ECK Masters hold the
      key to love, wisdom, and spiritual freedom."
       
      LOL  well I wonder where he got his stories from concerning help with financial issues? Could it be he got these *wonderful* stories straight from his MLM business associates such as Joan, Peter and eckankar's lawyers, accountants, swordsmen, henchmen etc.....  
       
      In all of the 30 plus years I was a member, not once did I meet a wealthy eckist, except those that were directly involved in the Org.  In fact, I actually met eckist that were constantly struggling financially, living pay check to pay check, if not worse.... running around spending most of their free time and money recruiting new members, putting ads in the local papers, doing intros, or purchasing intro material *with their own money* to spread the teachings to those uninitiated seekers just waiting to be touched by the eck.
      >What a sale's pitch, huh? LOL! Harold is suggesting to people that
      their health, personal and financial problems will be helped by the
      ECK Masters and eckankar. How misleading and deceptive is this?
       
       
      Did you read the article Colleen listed over on ET?   http://www.pacificsun.com/   Sounds so much like eckankar and some of their tactics, it's scary!   Sales pitch is a good way to put how Harold fabricates, lies, and smooth talks his way into the hearts of unsuspecting seekers.  When if all they did was use resources available to the public, like Doctors, Counselors and Financial Advisors!  I'd rather pay a person that carries a degree, than pay some skinny ass puppet being mastered by greed, calling himself the Godman of the entire Universe!       
       
      > No wonder your mother, Liz, is looking to the master to heal her! How
      many others are being hurt by these false promises!
       
       
      Sadly there are many who fall for these false promises!  My mother often speaks with an individual who recently underwent heart surgery. This individual just fell over and died at the store... with quick EMS service and an excellent Heart Specialist and his team, this individual is a walking miracle. But sadly this person doesn't give recognition to the people who really saved her life!  Of course if it were not for that Wonderful Eck Master Harold she wouldn't be here today! 
       
      I am not sure how the Org manages to pull it off, but I don't think anyone has been able to sue over false promises of health, wealth etc....  disclaimers!
       
      ...although I question how the Org and Klump haven't been sued based on the quote from the book "Those Wonderful Eck Masters"   from page 232: "The Mahanta, the Living ECK Master also has the ability and the authority to alter an individual's fate."  How is it that the Org's Lawyers let that one slip by?      
       
       
      > I'm sure this Introduction will lure some unsuspecting readers in--they'll buy the
      book, so it's a win for eckankar money wise, and if the reader
      really buys into the crap, the reader will be signing up for
      membership and writing a nice check with the hopes that he/she, too,
      will benefit from the teachings of eck, as suggested by HK's "humble
      volume" that shines "like a beacon to guide" Souls "to God's secret
      kingdom" . . . yada, yada! : )
       
       
       
      Unfortunately I think you are right Mish!  But with groups such as Eckankar Survivors Anonymous and EckankarTruth,  they have the opportunity to read the truth about those eckankar lies! 
       
      Even with all of Klump's cult money, he still has a defective, sick body!  Blame it on electromagnetic illness....  or just another way to keep those eckies from going anywhere near a computer to surf the net, and finding anti eck groups speaking out about the truth of the Scam called Eckankar!
       
        
       

       
    • Elizabeth
      HK Wrote: I am well aware of my limitations By the way, Did Klemp list what his limitations are, or that of the LEM / Mahanta? *Wandering* minds want to
      Message 2 of 5 , Mar 18, 2006
        HK Wrote: "I am well aware of my limitations"

        By the way, Did Klemp list what his limitations are, or that of the
        LEM / Mahanta?

        *Wandering* minds want to know.... ;-)))
      • mishmisha9
        ... No, he didn t! I suppose he didn t want to admit that he is a fake, a liar, and an imposter, not to mention his problems with anger! I suppose also that he
        Message 3 of 5 , Mar 18, 2006
          --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "Elizabeth"
          <ewickings@...> wrote:
          >
          > HK Wrote: "I am well aware of my limitations"
          >
          > By the way, Did Klemp list what his limitations are, or that of the
          > LEM / Mahanta?
          >
          > *Wandering* minds want to know.... ;-)))
          >

          No, he didn't! I suppose he didn't want to admit that he is a fake, a
          liar, and an imposter, not to mention his problems with anger! I
          suppose also that he wouldn't own up to his limitations of not being
          able to give Divine Love or love of any kind for that matter. He's all
          talk but no show, isn't he? So, he just suggests that he has
          limitations--he leaves it up to the unsuspecting and gullible
          followers to fill in the blanks here. I guess it is a sort of
          disclaimer that he is not what he pretends to be! He's written
          comments like this before in other transcripts--they just kind of pop
          out, but I guess most readers just gloss right over these sorts of
          statements coming from their godman! If I hadn't discarded those dorky
          books, I'd find those earlier statements he has made and share them
          here. But they're gone now and I'm not replacing them. But one that
          struck me earlier was one in which he stated that it would be foolish
          to believe all that he said or wrote. I don't recall which transcript
          that was written in, but it spared me from buying into all his
          nonsense stories and the crap he was saying/writing! LOL!

          Mish
        • ctecvie
          Hello Mish & Liz, ... *** And eckists will find that charming for sure! They will be delighted that a master has limitations and says so! What crap is this!
          Message 4 of 5 , Mar 18, 2006
            Hello Mish & Liz,

            --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "mishmisha9"
            <mishmisha9@...> wrote:

            > No, he didn't! I suppose he didn't want to admit that he is a
            >fake, a
            > liar, and an imposter, not to mention his problems with anger! I
            > suppose also that he wouldn't own up to his limitations of not
            >being
            > able to give Divine Love or love of any kind for that matter. He's
            >all
            > talk but no show, isn't he? So, he just suggests that he has
            > limitations--he leaves it up to the unsuspecting and gullible
            > followers to fill in the blanks here.

            *** And eckists will find that charming for sure! They will be
            delighted that a master has limitations and says so! What crap is
            this!

            Ingrid
          • prometheus_973
            Hi Liz & Mish, Don t Eckists see the contradictions! There is the 500 year old (in the same physical body) Rebazar and there s Asoki the ECK Master still
            Message 5 of 5 , Mar 18, 2006
              Hi Liz & Mish,
              Don't Eckists see the contradictions! There is the 500 year old (in
              the same physical body) Rebazar and there's Asoki the "ECK Master
              still living in the same body he inhabited some sixty thousand years
              before the advent of the Christian calendar."(pg.13 Eckankar LexiCon)

              Why is it that Klemp, having the Highest Mahanta Consciousness Ever
              (LOL!), Cannot "master" the lowest Plane of consciousness - the
              physical! Look at Twitchell's death! Talk is cheap for the
              LEM/Mahanta! The Real Truth is that it is all a lie! Those "masters"
              that Eckists and non-Eckists see are images produced by Soul. It has
              nothing to do with any religious "truth" including Eckankar's!

              Klemp claims (as LEM/Mahanta) to be of such a Higher Consciousness
              BUT if that is so then why the sickness and ill health? The Karma
              excuse doesn't work because IF he is taking on Karma for Eckists
              then why are there Chelas that he says are "losers."

              Also, why have the Eck Initiations slowed down under Klemp? Why have
              so many 7th Initiates hit the glass ceiling? Why does it take
              Eckists, today, 15-20 years to reach the 5th Initiation? See, it
              just doesn't add up! Where is Consciousness Five? Instead, it looks
              as though World Consciousness and even the consciousness of Eckist's
              have declined under Klemp's so called Guidance and Protection! Klemp
              continues to make more and more excuses and delievers on nothing,
              except, in the Imaginations of Eckists.

              Klemp talks a lot about using the Imagination, BUT what does this
              mean to him and what did Imagination mean to Twitchell and Gross?

              As in Texas Hold'em Poker there are "tells" to determine if an
              opponent is lying or bluffing about his hand. Sometimes even after
              the hand is played opponents will lie about what they were holding.
              Klemp does this constantly BUT with HK it is half lie and half
              delusion.

              HK: Mechanical Manifestations--"LYING, IMAGINATION, the EXPRESSION
              of NEGATIVE EMOTIONS, and UNNECESSARY TALKING." (Eckankar Lexicon,
              pgs. 136-137) [My caps]

              See, for Twitchell and Klemp, Lying equals Imagination & Negativity!

              Usually, the only Truths found in Eckankar's Dogma only points to
              more deceptions and lies. Maintaining Delusion is key for Klemp.
              Klemp likes to keep Eckists Confused, Off Balance, and Doubting
              their own Higher Self (Soul). Eckists think they NEED him! This is
              how he uses the Fear of Death and the Fear of Failure, as well as,
              Attachment to the LEM/Mahanta and the Vanity of the Higher
              Initiations (and the Distortions of perceived Powers) to maintain
              his hold. It's really that simple, BUT Eckists are afraid,
              comfortable, and refuse to see.

              HK acts "as if" he is all that Twitch claimed that he was! In Truth,
              Eckankar is just Twitchell's scam involving the research &
              compilation of religious information, inspired by Gail, and passed
              on to her lover and future husband Gross and then passed on to the
              meek looking, and controllable, little writer and proof reader...
              Klemp! Gross didn't know that Klemp had learned to fly under the
              radar and "play the game" both in the Air Force and in order to be
              released from the mental institution after his "God-Realized"
              experience.

              So, the game playing continues for Klemp and the Illusion continues
              for Eckists. Membership in Eckankar proves that Ignorance Is Bliss!
              BUT, how long can Ignorance last? Only the Truth Seeker is brave
              enough to deny the Bliss found in Ignorance! Total Spiritual Freedom
              cannot be found by following or depending upon another individual
              who is placed "Higher" than another Soul. Yes, there are things to
              learn from others BUT ONLY by being Free of them and of Dogma!

              Prometheus



              Liz wrote:

              HK Wrote: "I am well aware of my limitations"

              By the way, Did Klemp list what his limitations are, or that of the
              LEM / Mahanta?

              *Wandering* minds want to know.... ;-)))


              No, he didn't! I suppose he didn't want to admit that he is a fake,
              a liar, and an imposter, not to mention his problems with anger! I
              suppose also that he wouldn't own up to his limitations of not being
              able to give Divine Love or love of any kind for that matter. He's
              all talk but no show, isn't he? So, he just suggests that he has
              limitations--he leaves it up to the unsuspecting and gullible
              followers to fill in the blanks here. I guess it is a sort of
              disclaimer that he is not what he pretends to be! He's written
              comments like this before in other transcripts--they just kind of
              pop out, but I guess most readers just gloss right over these sorts
              of statements coming from their godman! If I hadn't discarded those
              dorky books, I'd find those earlier statements he has made and share
              them here. But they're gone now and I'm not replacing them. But one
              that struck me earlier was one in which he stated that it would be
              foolish to believe all that he said or wrote. I don't recall which
              transcript that was written in, but it spared me from buying into
              all his nonsense stories and the crap he was saying/writing! LOL!

              Mish
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