>Klemp's intolerance shows a lack of
However, regardless, of Klemp's claim of his own spitting in the
face of God, to suggest that this eckist's son needs to spit as
really ridiculous! Klemp on the one hand has somewhat
reassured this mother
that it is a natural order of things for her
son to question and explore
other religious options, but he is
really calling it spitting in the face of
** I think Klemp is really implying that this women's son
(and any other families that are experiencing a mass exodus of members leaving
the flock) is spitting in *his* face! I have had a very
similar conversation with my own Parent, and now I know where this BS is coming
from. Should have guessed Klemp came out with more BS addressing current
underlying issues with the cult in a round about way....
>I would think this would cause more concern to the eckist
parents and would create more
of a strain in the family. When she mentions
that she feels the
circle of influence is not as strong, she is saying how
is that her son is being pulled away. Now she sees that her son
doing more than that--his rebellious behavior is actually spitting
the face of God! That is really serious and really extreme. Nice
reassuring this mother, Harold! LOL!
** Just another way to create fear in the chela, parent, grandparent
etc.... don't they dare spit in Klemp's face or he will remove his love
>[HK] "The ECK teachings are dear to
you and your husband because you
know the darkness of spirit before the
Light and Sound comes to the
** What? Is anyone else wondering what the hell Klemp means
by the darkness of spirit before the Light and Sound comes to the crying
heart? Is he saying everyone is in darkness until eckankrap?
YEP I think so. Then how does he account for the darkness that
still fills many of his members hearts? Of course he isn't accountable for
that right, it's the individual's Karma. Then we could go back to that quote
from his book "Those Wonderful Eck Masters", where he has the ability and
authority to change the fate of an individual? So lets ask this
question; why can't Klemp keep and protect his members from
doubting, questioning and leaving the path? So maybe he isn't all
powerful after all, so he calls it spitting in the face of God. Hey here
is another thought for this mother; As Mish pointed out, what about
when Klemp jumped off the bridge, or ran through the Airport Naked? Was he
spitting in Sri Darwin Gross the 2nd LEM's face? AND Maybe
this mother's son will become the 4th LEM some
>[HK] "The ECK teachings come freely to those born into an ECK
and may not have the painful attraction brought on by suffering, as
in our own tortuous journey to truth."
** What a load of crap! Each individual has their own pain and
suffering, joy and smooth journey to truth no matter if they were born
into an eck family, or to some other family outside of the
-- (MISH) So in truth, those children born into eck
families are rather
** Actually yes and no, but I understand your question. My own
children pointed out to me they felt handicapped being born into the
teachings. I was a pre teen when my family joined, so I was
tainted somewhat from the start. My own children on the other hand had no real
experiences outside of the cult with other religious faiths. In fact, my now 16
year old had no clue who Jesus was until she entered school. It was during
Easter and the teacher was sharing the story of Jesus on the cross, and
later being placed in a cave etc.... then who ever rolled the rock away
from the entrance to the cave found Jesus' body was missing. My daughter yelled,
"A bear ate him!" I got a nice phone call that afternoon from the
teacher. She didn't find this the least bit amusing, as her other
5 year old students did! So as my own kids grew up they could see the BS
within the teachings, and yet also see other religions are the same way.
They all (spiritual teachings / religions) have a fairy tale to tell.
using: "spitting in the
face of God," "crying heart," "painful
>But again, I love these words that HK is
attraction brought on by suffering,"
"our own tortuous journey of
truth," . . .
Geez, HK is really into
suffering it seems.
** A good psychiatrist would be able to explain Klemp's illness and
attraction to suffering!
>Anyway, just read some of those silly eckist stories wherein they share
difficulty of finding a parking space or how a temporary postal
clerk didn't serve them quickly enough--and one will realize how
exaggerated and silly these eck hardship stories are! Oh, to be an
eckist and to know so much! LOL!
** Here again, if a psychiatrist were to analyze Klemp and
his behavior or reactions to the points you mention, I believe it will reveal
the man has a mental disorder! Bi-polar comes to
mind.... jumping off a bridge, tearing off his clothing
in an airport..... yep I want to follow this guy into the godworlds. When is
that next comet due?
>[HK] "Despite seeing a seeker's doubt as
only a small leg of a
seeker's journey to SUGMAD, I cry too when he turns
aside. BUT the
spiritual law commands it."
** This is emotional blackmail brainwashing! Let's make
this poor mother feel more emotional turmoil over her son leaving! Hell
Klemp is crying, and if the Godman is hurt how can this mother not feel a
huge heaviness in her heart because her own son has caused this Master to suffer
more! Yet my own parent claims Klemp is the holding vessel for all
the pain and suffering of his chela's. And which spiritual law is he
quoting "Despite seeing a seeker's doubt as only a small leg of a seeker's
journey to SUGMAD that the spiritual law commands it"? (Sorry I am getting board
with Klump and lost my train of thought! What the hell does he mean by that
--(MISH) Yeah, HK is crying too--I doubt this! First and
doesn't really matter to HK what this child is doing right now.
family is paying the family membership rate, so no drop in the
accounts that way. Plus, if this young man is going to doubt the
teachings, well, he'll become nothing more than a "loser" and HK has
time for that sort!
** He wants to put more fear in this mother's head, and in turn
keeping a paying member! Yes he doesn't have to worry about the money from
the son currently, and if he leaves... well there are many others that will fill
in the gap. He will be called a loser, and how many cult bots want to be
shunned by the Godman of the universe? Losers! OUCH
Well, anyway I'm trying to catch up on the messages in this group. So don't
mind me if I pop off a comment and it seems pointless after the fact.