Re: Eckankar: 03/2006 The Mystic World-Ask the Master #2 of 2
- --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973"
[Q] "I am feeling such pain over our son's recent sharing that he is
questioning his being in ECKANKAR. He says he was raised in ECKANKAR
and hasn't known anything else and is feeling confused. His
girlfriend is a strong Southern Baptist. I realize he has to make
his own decision. What is the Law of Love? I need help with this one
Mahanta, because my heart is breaking. He loves us BUT our circle of
influence has shrunk. I guess that's the natural order of things--to
love and let go."
[HK] "As you so wisely summed up your dilemma with your song: 'the
natural order of things--to love and let go.' It is so, so hard."
(MISH) Of course, HK could have compared how his parents' reacted to
Klemp changing his mind about becoming a Luthern minister while
still young like this eckist's son and finally dropping out of
Christianity all together for his chosen spiritual path. Why
couldn't HK use some of his life experience? Instead, Klemp
exaggerates this "natural order of things" by stating it is "so
hard, so hard" to allow this kid his own choices.
[HK] "Your son needs to SPIT in the face of God, even as I once
did." [Prometheus' caps]
(MISH)This statement really gets me! When did Klemp ever spit in the
face of God??? I don't believe I've read that anywhere. Oh, was it
when he decided not to become a Luthern minister, or when he quit
attending church, or when he was so deranged that he jumped off a
bridge, or maybe when he didn't attend his father's funeral, or when
he divorced Marge, or when he . . . .? Just when and how did Klemp
spit in the face of God. Oh, I know, it's when he realized what a
big fat fake and liar he is and decided to stay the course of his
If Klemp actually did feel that he did spit in the face of God,
wouldn't a person have to be extremely angry with God to have done
that? Wouldn't that person still have anger in his heart, but then
again doesn't Klemp demonstrate anger from time to time--anger more
than Unconditional Love? Klemp's intolerance shows a lack of
However, regardless, of Klemp's claim of his own spitting in the
face of God, to suggest that this eckist's son needs to spit as
well, is really ridiculous! Klemp on the one hand has somewhat
reassured this mother that it is a natural order of things for her
son to question and explore other religious options, but he is
really calling it spitting in the face of God--I would think this
would cause more concern to the eckist parents and would create more
of a strain in the family. When she mentions that she feels the
circle of influence is not as strong, she is saying how worried she
is that her son is being pulled away. Now she sees that her son is
doing more than that--his rebellious behavior is actually spitting
in the face of God! That is really serious and really extreme. Nice
job of reassuring this mother, Harold! LOL!
[HK] "The ECK teachings are dear to you and your husband because you
know the darkness of spirit before the Light and Sound comes to the
(MISH)Oh, this is really sappy, isn't it! LOL!
[HK] "The ECK teachings come freely to those born into an ECK family
and may not have the painful attraction brought on by suffering, as
in our own tortuous journey to truth."
(MISH) So in truth, those children born into eck families are rather
born handicapped? But again, I love these words that HK is
using: "spitting in the face of God," "crying heart," "painful
attraction brought on by suffering," "our own tortuous journey of
truth," . . .
Geez, HK is really into suffering it seems. The thing is though I
don't think many eckists have suffered anymore or uniquely than any
other individuals, inside or out of eckankar. However, I believe
that eckists are taught to believe that their life prior to coming
into eckankar has been hell. If an eckist was not abused, suffered
severe poverty, or some excruciating physical ailment, eckists are
encouraged to "create" their own hardship stories. HK certainly is a
good example of these creative heart sob stories! His autobiography
reveals nothing of extreme hardship or difficulties in growing up.
It all sounded pretty normal to me, except for HK's perception of
his rather mundane beginnings in middle America. Anyway, just read
some of those silly eckist stories wherein they share about the
difficulty of finding a parking space or how a temporary postal
clerk didn't serve them quickly enough--and one will realize how
exaggerated and silly these eck hardship stories are! Oh, to be an
eckist and to know so much! LOL!
[HK] "Despite seeing a seeker's doubt as only a small leg of a
seeker's journey to SUGMAD, I cry too when he turns aside. BUT the
spiritual law commands it."
(MISH) Yeah, HK is crying too--I doubt this! First and foremost, it
doesn't really matter to HK what this child is doing right now. His
family is paying the family membership rate, so no drop in the
accounts that way. Plus, if this young man is going to doubt the
teachings, well, he'll become nothing more than a "loser" and HK has
no time for that sort!
[HK] "We love our babies regardless of their humanness. That's why,
in fact, we love them more."
(MISH) Sweet, HK! Again, HK has criticized this young Soul. HK is
saying this child is flawed because he is human! Well, hello, HK,
you're human too! We're all human! However, I don't think that HK
loves non-eckists or those eckists who are questioning the teachings
more. His harsh words belie this.
[HK] "So my heart and love are with you. Please remember that no one
is ever lost in ECK. Love is all; it is always."
(MISH) HK is too shallow to understand what love is and therefore is
unable to give love. HK is all talk but no show!
Thanks, Prometheus for sharing the Ask the Master Questions. Always,
fun to see how Klemp chomps about and muddles things up. It really
shows that Klemp is losing it more and more--or even moreover
reveals that he didn't have it to begin with. : )