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Eckankar: March 2006 The Mystic World, page 1, by H.K.

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    Let s review Klemp s instructions for High Initiates to Not Use IF, AND, or BUT With Other Eckists (12/2005 The H.I. Letter, Pages 1&2): [HK] One thing that
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      Let's review Klemp's instructions for High Initiates to Not Use IF,
      AND, or BUT With Other Eckists (12/2005 The H.I. Letter, Pages 1&2):

      [HK] "One thing that strikes me about Immanuel Kant was something he
      said that acts out an appreciation for life, which shows gratitude
      in expression. He said, no ifs, ands, or buts. By that he meant.
      make your statements clean and clear. Suppose one, for example, says
      to a student, 'Study hard if you want to make your degree.' Kant
      says, forget the stuff at the end. Say just, 'Study hard.'... WHEN
      SOMEONE SAYS BUT, ITS A NAIL IN THE COFFIN OF INVENTION. A CONSTANT
      STREAM OF CONTRADICTIONS SHUTS OFF CREATIVITY AND A GIFT THAT MAY BE
      OFFERED. AND WHEN SOMEONE SAYS BUT, HE'S STOPPED LISTENING. SO BE
      AWARE WHEN USING IF. AND ESPECIALLY WHEN USING BUT, BECAUSE IT'S
      LIMITING. Move straight ahead. It throws a condition under your feet
      that is a trip wire. THIS IS PRETTY MUCH FOR OURSELVES, because in
      dealing with others, you may need to use if, and, or but. AND IS
      BETTER because it doesn't limit and is a building block." [MY CAPS]

      The Mystic World of ECKANKAR, March 2006, page 1&2, "Can Life Be No
      More Than This?"

      [Me] I really don't want to get into Eckankar's promotional B.S. too
      much except to point out some of Klemp's distortions and
      inconsistencies. I've noticed that Klemp used: SEVEN BUTS and TWO
      IFS; mentioned an ECK-Vidya "like" story by someone else; gave no
      Eck-Vidya "reading" himself and Did Not mention that the ECK-Vidya
      book, by PT, was discontinued; he ended the article with a sentence
      beginning with a BUT while using a quote that Twitch had "borrowed,"
      altered, and made "Eck like" from The Path of the Masters! Amazing!

      Klemp's own words state that BUTS and IFS shows a LACK of GRATITUDE.
      This also makes his words UNCLEAN and UNCLEAR and CONTRADICTS the
      meaning of his statements. He tells Eckists Not to use IF or BUT
      with one another because of the LIMITING effects (according to Kant)
      and DOES NOT LISTEN to his own words! Don't Eckists see Klemp's
      hypocrisy, ignorance, and disdain for Truth! I guess they don't want
      to because they're not ready to see it, and can't deal with it
      because of their own delusional and comfortable beliefs in a Mahanta
      (savior) to save them.

      [HK] "The weary seeker thirsted mightly for God BUT (1) didn't
      know where to look.... Are the ECK Masters real?... She's been
      meeting the ECK Masters for a long time now, BUT (2) lately, she had
      a special dream with Paul Twitchell that she recalled in a recent
      letter."

      [Me] Well well! Check out the reply that David Lane makes
      to "confused" in explaining the Eck Master thing.
      http://members.tripod.com/~dlane5/fate.html

      [HK] "BUT (3) his deep love seared her heart for all time."

      [Me] Wow! HK is really becoming quite the writer when he uses such
      descriptive words like "thirsted mightly" and "seared." Eckists
      should be as proud as punch! <smile>

      [HK] "She used to leave the body a lot, BUT (4) now she was on heart
      medicine and unable to get out of the body at all.... He turned the
      wallet upside down and shook it, BUT (5) it was truly empty."

      [Me] It seems that Eckists can't believe in the truthiness of any of
      Klemp's comments since the newly forbidden word of "BUT" tends to
      negate the meaning of what Klemp has just shared! Was this
      intentional on his part?!

      Klemp, the LEM/Mahanta, has set a new standard for clear and
      truthful communication among Eckists! If Klemp and the ESC editors
      are Not enforcing this New Guideline for Not Using IF or BUT with
      fellow Eckists then this too just goes to show that Eckankar is a
      scam/cult based on lies! The next quotes beginning with "IF" comes
      (supposedly) from another unknown Eck Master.

      [HK] 'IF (1) you don't do it, somebody else will' "BUT (6) Felix had
      drawn some books from the library... It said, 'IF (2) I did not
      think you were worthy, I would not have called you.'

      [Me] In following Kants opinions of the use of IF, AND, or BUT, that
      Klemp holds so highly, it seems that this Unknown Eck Master is
      beating around the bush and needs to be more aware and direct! This
      U.E.M., also, needs to pay more attention and listen to the
      instructions of his Boss the Mahanta! LOL!

      [HK] "BUT (7) when a student is ready, the Master will appear."

      [Me} Very good Rev. Klemp! 7-BUTS for you and 2-IFS (by an unknown
      eck master)! LOL&ROTF! Also, the quote that Twitch stole and Klemp
      used comes from "The Path of the Masters" on page 226 which
      states, "When the Chela is ready, the Guru appears!"

      Actually, there are many more quotes from "Path" that Eckankar uses
      and that Eckists have made their very own. <smile> Eckists should
      read (or skim) more information like Twitch claimed to have done and
      they would see that Eckankar is mostly a Westernized Hodge-podge of
      religious distortions, of Twitchell's warped ego, and of subjective
      and slanted versions of PT's (and now Klemp's) imagined experiences
      with a mixture of delusional and narcissistic "reality."

      Klemp's contradictions are blatant! HK once shared the use an old
      saying as an way for testing the validity of some things, "If it
      looks like a duck, and walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck,
      then it must be a duck!" Klemp is a hypocrite and ,therefore, cannot
      be a Master! Quack Quack Rev. Klemp!

      Prometheus
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