Re: Those wonderful Eck masters ...
- Hello Prometheus,
--- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973"
>*** In reality they don't know more about it than others - the
> Hi Ingrid,
> Eckists intentionally use S.E. techniques that color their dream
> experiences and then think that the result is a real "spiritual"
> experience! Incredible! Eckists are extremely naive of the mind's
> powers! LOL!
difference is just that they somehow feel like the experts on
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> Klemp uses*** I think you got that wrong, Prometheus! Don't you know that
> Twitchell's revised original descriptions of the Eck Masters
> Twitchell couldn't keep his lies straight! This is why
> some "historic" Eck publications were burned (so to speak) in
> to hide these facts. And, let's face it, Klemp recycles and
> redistorts everything Twitchell ever wrote, plagiarized, and
there's a LEM in order to "adapt the teachings to the current era"
or so! LOL! Well, they are certainly clever, aren't they! But not so
clever so as to some don't see behind the curtain!
>The only "new" and "current" Eck teachings and changes*** It's quite visible that it's no more than any other religion!
> involve making Eckankar emulate other religions. This is
> accomplished through: Pictures (visualization & prayers for
> intercession), Testamonials (of faith), Worship Services, Eck
> & Music, Worship Song Books, Clergy, Chanting (HU), Meditating
> (contemplating), RESA hierarchy (Cardinals) etc. Way to go Rev.
> Klemp! Catch-22... the Pope is elected by the Cardinals (his
> whereas Klemp is the sole "member" and "owner" of Eckankar!
And you can even have no religion and be happy without having to
worry about that karma piling up and do I behave correctly!
And, as a conclusion, another quote from the same list and the same
Reading again from the new ECK book on the ECK Masters it is very
clear that many seekers have been guided by these wonderful ECK
Masters for a long time before the word ECKANKAR turns up in their
I looked into the stories and realized that many reflected a need
for help, the seekers were at the crossroads when these wonderful
beings of Light & Sound turned up to help them turn their lives
- --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "ctecvie"
This is a comment about the book "Those wonderful Eck masters" I
found on one of the eck groups ... what a different it makes,
doesn't it!! :-)
(PS but even chelas note that HK doesn't talk much about himself,
does he! LOL!)
Before sleep I looked up at the photo's of the ECK Masters on my
bedroom wall. I then picked up my new ECK book titled "Those
Wonderful ECK Masters" by Harold Klemp.
When I first flicked through the pages I thought this book appears
to be filled with only chela's encounters with the wonderful ECK
Masters. I was more looking for Sri Harold's wisdom via his own
heart and experiences. I soon learnt that this book is a wonderful
mixture of both.
It is my dream to have an experience with each ECK Master as I walk
through the pages of this wonderful book.
>Ingrid, it is interesting how receptive and accepting the chelas are
to the pablum that HK feeds them! LOL! As to finding "Sri Harold's
wisdom via his own heart and experience," it's not there! It is just
a bunch of recycling. HK copies once more a bit of his history, but
there are no real stories of heart coming from him. Rather, he feeds
off the stories of chelas who imagine experiences with him and
the "other" eck masters in their dreams. In fact, I plan to write a
post about what HK says about using one's creative imagination to
meet these "real" eck masters--seems rather contradictory, but since
it is HK's wisdom, the chela is more than eager to believe what HK
writes in this very dumb, brainwashing book! LOL!
However, it is also interesting that this chela quoted mentions that
it is his "dream to have an experience with each ECK Master as (he
walks) through the pages of this wonderful book." I guess he has an
awareness that it actually would not be possible to have any real
experiences with these fake eck masters! : )