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  • ctecvie
    Hello everybody, lately on a.r.e. ... :-) Ingrid *********************** Can You Imagine Paul Twitchell on the Oprah Show? LOL... by Mr. Peabody s Buddy
    Message 1 of 4 , Jan 26, 2006
      Hello everybody,

      lately on a.r.e. ... :-)
      Ingrid

      ***********************
      Can You Imagine Paul Twitchell on the Oprah Show? LOL...
      by "Mr. Peabody's Buddy" <bud136@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jan 26, 2006 at
      10:23 AM


      Updated: 12:52 PM EST
      Oprah Calls Defense of Author 'a Mistake'
      TV Talk Host Says James Frey 'Betrayed Millions of People'

      By EDWARD WYATT, The New York Times

      CHICAGO (Jan. 26) - In an extraordinary reversal of her strident and
      angry defense of the author whose book she catapulted to the top of
      the
      best-seller list, Oprah Winfrey said today she believed that the
      author
      James Frey "betrayed millions of people" by making up elements of his
      life in his best-selling memoir, "A Million Little Pieces."


      So, in spite of Doug Marmon and his cadre of Paul Twitchell
      Apologists,
      it appears reasonable people have a BIG problem with authors
      presenting
      fiction as fact.

      Paul Twitchell betrayed thousands but, unlike Mr. Frey's current
      trouble, his lies have gone uncorrected by him or his successors. The
      Eckankar religionists are guilty of collusion and coverup when it
      comes
      to the tawdry story of one of the 20th Century's most notorious
      liars...Paul Twitchell.

      Is it just a matter of time in this age of blogs before somebody like
      The Smoking Gun gets wind of the millions Eckankar has made off the
      lies of Paul Twitchell? Or is the story so small and unimportant that
      the general public could care less? Is this how Eckankar has survived
      for 40 years, by being so fringe-of-the-fringe that it flies under
      the
      radar of the truth-loving majority?

      Stay tuned...

      ***********************
    • prometheus_973
      Frey, Twitchell and Klemp only express a truthiness. They are really just pathological liars! Here s a quote (pg.1) from the introduction of The Tiger s
      Message 2 of 4 , Jan 30, 2006
        Frey, Twitchell and Klemp only express a "truthiness." They are
        really just pathological liars! Here's a quote (pg.1) from the
        introduction of "The Tiger's Fang" by Paul Twitchell to give some
        insight about his distortions of truth: [Thanks Doug]

        *******************************************************************
        "The book came out of personal experience. What is written on these
        pages is not as important as the recording of those worlds that few
        Souls, other than the saints, have ever visited."

        [Me] So Paul is saying that what he embellished isn't as important
        as his listing of the God Worlds that only the "saints (versus Eck
        Masters) have ever visited."

        "Some will say this book is the wild fantasy of a highly developed
        imagination, but one must understand that there is nothing in the
        worlds of God without some degree of truth. Even fantasy is cast out
        of the material cloth of God, so how can fantasy be a complete
        untruth?"

        [Me]"So how can fantasy be a complete untruth?" Well Paul, if only
        the Pure and Posttive can exist in the true reality of the God
        Worlds then untruth (lies) and fantasy (fiction) could Not! There
        are only "degrees of truth" within the lower worlds! Twitch is just
        trying to issue a disclaimer of sorts, although, Eckists tend to
        overlook his own words which give a heads up. The Tiger's Fang was
        probably done as a combination novel and stepping stone to become
        the Radhasoami rep for the U.S. until Twitch decided to use it,
        years later, for his new religious/vocation. Frey's book was first
        being presented as fiction until it was suggested that it be
        published as nonfiction. Mo money!

        "This statement should stagger the mind of man and shake the
        foundation of the teachings of orthodox religions, philosophies, and
        metaphysics. However, I am prepared to make my statements based on
        pure experience, and one must remember that all experiences are
        unique only to the experiencer."

        {Me] PT's double-talk is that a lie contains partial truth! Nope
        sorry not buying it! Only a pathological liar like Twitch would make
        that statement! I do agree, however, that all memories are based on
        experiences and perception. We can make and change anything into
        what we want it to be. If one wants to use imagination and fantasy
        for writing fiction then this is acceptable when the reader is aware
        of this. It is interesting to explore such thoughts of fantasy for a
        reader. Non-fiction is interesting too although memories, we know,
        can't always be precise. However, lies are still lies and fiction is
        not truth!
        *******************************************************************

        It should be noted that Twitchell changed his Master Kirpal Singh's
        name to Rebazar Tarzs. And that Eck, Mahanta, and Sugmad were made
        up in order for Eckists not to associate these concepts with
        preconceived and learned facsimiles. Therefore, these are not
        exclusive or unique truths, or ancient! And, these words carry their
        own dogmatic misconceptions anyway! Generally, 'a rose is still a
        rose by any other name.' Personal experience is still what one makes
        of it, and should depend upon truth and not fantasy or delusion.
        Also, the creation of Rebazar, and other Eck Masters, is fundamental
        to the entire foundation of belief in Eckankar. Even Doug Marman has
        said that Twitchell changed Kirpal's name in The Tiger's Fang. So
        what Master's name did Twitch use in place of Kirpal's? Hmmmmmm. It
        was Rebazar! And, Twitch also used "Sudar" in place of Kirpal!

        Yes, Twitch would be like a deer caught in the headlights on Oprah!
        LOL! Actually, he'd lied for so many years that the confrontation
        might bring out even more goofyness as with Frey. These are very
        imbalanced people! As above so below... HK should know! LOL!

        Prometheus

        ctecvie wrote:

        Hello everybody,

        lately on a.r.e. ... :-)
        Ingrid

        ***********************
        Can You Imagine Paul Twitchell on the Oprah Show? LOL...
        by "Mr. Peabody's Buddy" <bud136@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jan 26, 2006 at
        10:23 AM


        Updated: 12:52 PM EST
        Oprah Calls Defense of Author 'a Mistake'
        TV Talk Host Says James Frey 'Betrayed Millions of People'

        By EDWARD WYATT, The New York Times

        CHICAGO (Jan. 26) - In an extraordinary reversal of her strident and
        angry defense of the author whose book she catapulted to the top of
        the best-seller list, Oprah Winfrey said today she believed that the
        author James Frey "betrayed millions of people" by making up
        elements of his life in his best-selling memoir, "A Million Little
        Pieces."


        So, in spite of Doug Marmon and his cadre of Paul Twitchell
        Apologists, it appears reasonable people have a BIG problem with
        authors presenting fiction as fact.

        Paul Twitchell betrayed thousands but, unlike Mr. Frey's current
        trouble, his lies have gone uncorrected by him or his successors.
        The Eckankar religionists are guilty of collusion and coverup when
        it comes to the tawdry story of one of the 20th Century's most
        notorious liars...Paul Twitchell.

        Is it just a matter of time in this age of blogs before somebody like
        The Smoking Gun gets wind of the millions Eckankar has made off the
        lies of Paul Twitchell? Or is the story so small and unimportant that
        the general public could care less? Is this how Eckankar has survived
        for 40 years, by being so fringe-of-the-fringe that it flies under
        the radar of the truth-loving majority?

        Stay tuned...
      • mishmisha9
        Hello, All! Thank you Ingrid for reposting from A.R.E., Mr. Peabody s Buddy s Can You Imagine Paul Twitchell on the Oprah Show? I have enjoyed this post as
        Message 3 of 4 , Feb 1, 2006
          Hello, All!

          Thank you Ingrid for reposting from A.R.E., Mr. Peabody's
          Buddy's "Can You Imagine Paul Twitchell on the Oprah Show?" I have
          enjoyed this post as well as Prometheus' comments, both which follow
          this reply post!

          I checked earlier today, and discovered interesting discussions
          taking place on A.R.E. on the thread there. David Lane and Doug
          Marmon are having an exchange along with a few others, so if you
          haven't read over there recently, you might enjoy this topic.

          Hopefully, you can pull it up directly with this link:

          http://www.talkaboutreligion.com/alt.religion.eckankar/message/224934
          .html

          Since Paul Twitchell is no longer among us, I guess it is not
          plausible for him to be interviewed by Oprah; however, Klemp, as his
          rod bearer, could come out of his reclusive hole, and explain it all
          to Oprah. LOL! Klemp has been weaving quite a web of tangled tales
          in order to keep the eck lies and deceptions covered up and hidden
          from the seekers/chelas.

          From "Those Wonderful ECK Masters," pages 181-184, in Klemp's own
          words, ponder the following,from Chapter 10, "American Cliff Hanger
          and Founder of Eckankar Paul Twitchell (Peddar Zaskq)" Klemp writes
          (rehashes):

          (Referring to Twitchell) "A trial of outrageous tales surrounds this
          unique Master from Paducah, Kentucky, but every activity and
          experience from youth on was drawing him ever closer to the bosom of
          the ECK (Holy Spirit) to serve Its cause.
          In Late 1956 or early 1957 Paul had the experience of God recorded
          in his book 'The Tiger's Fang.'
          Yet, if he had truly touched the face of God as early as 1956, some
          may wonder why it took till 1965, another nine years, for him to
          become the Mahanta, the Living ECK Master. It's quite simple. One's
          habits and emotions build up over the years and although
          consciousness may take the lead, the individual's emotions can take
          awhile to play catch-up. . . . " (pages 181-182)

          "Paul's early efforts to present the teachings of ECK began well
          before he coined the words ECK and Eckankar to serve that purpose.
          He launched his mission at the humble roots, with weekly lectures to
          small groups of fifteen to thirty people at the California
          Parapsychology Foundation in southern California.
          In those days, Paul referred to Soul Travel as bilocation. It was,
          he said, the best way to reach the Supreme Oneness. He was trying to
          express the grandeur of the Sugmad, the Supreme Being, and taught
          that the way to It was through the Voice of God. We call this voice
          the ECK (Holy Spirit). . . . " (page 182)

          "Paul was learning to be his own best drumbeater as early as the
          1930's. Any time he achieved the smallest thing of note, he'd fire
          off a flurry of press releases or letters about it. Some would call
          him a shameless self-promoter; however, he was picking up the art of
          how to catch the public's eye.
          So without knowing the reason, Paul was urged to fine-tune his self-
          promotion. He learned to advertise himself in every possible way and
          in general was preparing for the future when he could turn his
          talent to promoting the books and articles on Eckankar and present
          it to the real God seekers in every corner of the world. . . . "
          (page 183)

          "The ECK teachings have been here since man's earliest history, but
          without the name of Eckankar. They have existed under various names
          in different eras because of the danger of presenting the pure
          teachings in public. But conditions have changed today. . . . "
          (page 183)

          "A Master Compiler
          The high teachings of ECK had been scattered to the four corners of
          the earth. Different religions held bits and pieces of them, but
          they had attached their own conditions, or strings . . .
          Paul's task was to gather the time-tested bits and pieces of the
          most accurate parts of what had been given in the past. In a sense,
          he became a master compiler.
          He collected the golden teachings scattered about the globe and
          rendered them into a single body of teachings, that made them
          readily available to all. " (page 184)

          ### So there we have it, Klemp's defense and explanations of how
          Twitchell began the eckankar religion! Klemp sure makes a lot of
          assumptions, doesn't he? And he expects the Chelas to lap it up! LOL!

          Mish




          --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973"
          <prometheus_973@...> wrote:

          Frey, Twitchell and Klemp only express a "truthiness." They are
          really just pathological liars! Here's a quote (pg.1) from the
          introduction of "The Tiger's Fang" by Paul Twitchell to give some
          insight about his distortions of truth: [Thanks Doug]

          *******************************************************************
          "The book came out of personal experience. What is written on these
          pages is not as important as the recording of those worlds that few
          Souls, other than the saints, have ever visited."

          [Me] So Paul is saying that what he embellished isn't as important
          as his listing of the God Worlds that only the "saints (versus Eck
          Masters) have ever visited."

          "Some will say this book is the wild fantasy of a highly developed
          imagination, but one must understand that there is nothing in the
          worlds of God without some degree of truth. Even fantasy is cast out
          of the material cloth of God, so how can fantasy be a complete
          untruth?"

          [Me]"So how can fantasy be a complete untruth?" Well Paul, if only
          the Pure and Posttive can exist in the true reality of the God
          Worlds then untruth (lies) and fantasy (fiction) could Not! There
          are only "degrees of truth" within the lower worlds! Twitch is just
          trying to issue a disclaimer of sorts, although, Eckists tend to
          overlook his own words which give a heads up. The Tiger's Fang was
          probably done as a combination novel and stepping stone to become
          the Radhasoami rep for the U.S. until Twitch decided to use it,
          years later, for his new religious/vocation. Frey's book was first
          being presented as fiction until it was suggested that it be
          published as nonfiction. Mo money!

          "This statement should stagger the mind of man and shake the
          foundation of the teachings of orthodox religions, philosophies, and
          metaphysics. However, I am prepared to make my statements based on
          pure experience, and one must remember that all experiences are
          unique only to the experiencer."

          {Me] PT's double-talk is that a lie contains partial truth! Nope
          sorry not buying it! Only a pathological liar like Twitch would make
          that statement! I do agree, however, that all memories are based on
          experiences and perception. We can make and change anything into
          what we want it to be. If one wants to use imagination and fantasy
          for writing fiction then this is acceptable when the reader is aware
          of this. It is interesting to explore such thoughts of fantasy for a
          reader. Non-fiction is interesting too although memories, we know,
          can't always be precise. However, lies are still lies and fiction is
          not truth!
          *******************************************************************

          It should be noted that Twitchell changed his Master Kirpal Singh's
          name to Rebazar Tarzs. And that Eck, Mahanta, and Sugmad were made
          up in order for Eckists not to associate these concepts with
          preconceived and learned facsimiles. Therefore, these are not
          exclusive or unique truths, or ancient! And, these words carry their
          own dogmatic misconceptions anyway! Generally, 'a rose is still a
          rose by any other name.' Personal experience is still what one makes
          of it, and should depend upon truth and not fantasy or delusion.
          Also, the creation of Rebazar, and other Eck Masters, is fundamental
          to the entire foundation of belief in Eckankar. Even Doug Marman has
          said that Twitchell changed Kirpal's name in The Tiger's Fang. So
          what Master's name did Twitch use in place of Kirpal's? Hmmmmmm. It
          was Rebazar! And, Twitch also used "Sudar" in place of Kirpal!

          Yes, Twitch would be like a deer caught in the headlights on Oprah!
          LOL! Actually, he'd lied for so many years that the confrontation
          might bring out even more goofyness as with Frey. These are very
          imbalanced people! As above so below... HK should know! LOL!

          Prometheus >>
          >

          <<ctecvie wrote:

          Hello everybody,

          lately on a.r.e. ... :-)
          Ingrid

          ***********************
          Can You Imagine Paul Twitchell on the Oprah Show? LOL...
          by "Mr. Peabody's Buddy" <bud136@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jan 26, 2006 at
          10:23 AM


          Updated: 12:52 PM EST
          Oprah Calls Defense of Author 'a Mistake'
          TV Talk Host Says James Frey 'Betrayed Millions of People'

          By EDWARD WYATT, The New York Times

          CHICAGO (Jan. 26) - In an extraordinary reversal of her strident and
          angry defense of the author whose book she catapulted to the top of
          the best-seller list, Oprah Winfrey said today she believed that the
          author James Frey "betrayed millions of people" by making up
          elements of his life in his best-selling memoir, "A Million Little
          Pieces."


          So, in spite of Doug Marmon and his cadre of Paul Twitchell
          Apologists, it appears reasonable people have a BIG problem with
          authors presenting fiction as fact.

          Paul Twitchell betrayed thousands but, unlike Mr. Frey's current
          trouble, his lies have gone uncorrected by him or his successors.
          The Eckankar religionists are guilty of collusion and coverup when
          it comes to the tawdry story of one of the 20th Century's most
          notorious liars...Paul Twitchell.

          Is it just a matter of time in this age of blogs before somebody like
          The Smoking Gun gets wind of the millions Eckankar has made off the
          lies of Paul Twitchell? Or is the story so small and unimportant that
          the general public could care less? Is this how Eckankar has survived
          for 40 years, by being so fringe-of-the-fringe that it flies under
          the radar of the truth-loving majority?

          Stay tuned...
          >
        • prometheus_973
          If Twitchell was just a master compiler as Klemp states then he was Not anything else. PT was just doing research like an investigative reporter doing a
          Message 4 of 4 , Feb 2, 2006
            If Twitchell was just a "master compiler" as Klemp states then he
            was Not anything else. PT was just doing research like an
            investigative reporter doing a story. However, do reporters ever
            make embellishments? Hmmmmmmm? I think so! Gail (33 years younger
            and second wife) inspired Twitch to go commercial with The Tiger's
            Fang manuscript that was returned to him by Kirpal Singh in 1966.
            Kirpal didn't like the manuscript because he recognized it as a
            novel with too many embellishments. Some are okay due to one's
            individual perception, however, this was just too much!

            How does a reporter and fiction writer become the MASTER OF ALL
            UNIVERSES! LOL! Eckankar is fiction mixed with myth and mixed with
            other religious dogma. It's all really that simple! Except for one
            thing! Soul or God-Soul or the Higher Self and SPIRIT will
            communicate with us regardless of our beliefs. On the other hand IT
            will only do so in ways our minds can accept! Eckankar just takes
            credit for the latter! Therefore, Klemp only inherited a fictional
            account of Twitchell's "experiences" that are only unique for
            Twitchell! How does that make Klemp a "master" of anything? It
            doesn't! <smile> The Eckankar con keeps working due to more and more
            delusional crap being piled on constantly. Just don't jump from any
            bridges! There's a limit to stupidity!

            Prometheus

            mishmisha wrote:

            Hello, All!

            Thank you Ingrid for reposting from A.R.E., Mr. Peabody's
            Buddy's "Can You Imagine Paul Twitchell on the Oprah Show?" I have
            enjoyed this post as well as Prometheus' comments, both which follow
            this reply post!

            I checked earlier today, and discovered interesting discussions
            taking place on A.R.E. on the thread there. David Lane and Doug
            Marmon are having an exchange along with a few others, so if you
            haven't read over there recently, you might enjoy this topic.

            Hopefully, you can pull it up directly with this link:


            http://www.talkaboutreligion.com/group/alt.religion.eckankar/message/
            224934.html

            Since Paul Twitchell is no longer among us, I guess it is not
            plausible for him to be interviewed by Oprah; however, Klemp, as his
            rod bearer, could come out of his reclusive hole, and explain it all
            to Oprah. LOL! Klemp has been weaving quite a web of tangled tales
            in order to keep the eck lies and deceptions covered up and hidden
            from the seekers/chelas.

            From "Those Wonderful ECK Masters," pages 181-184, in Klemp's own
            words, ponder the following,from Chapter 10, "American Cliff Hanger
            and Founder of Eckankar Paul Twitchell (Peddar Zaskq)" Klemp writes
            (rehashes):

            (Referring to Twitchell) "A trial of outrageous tales surrounds this
            unique Master from Paducah, Kentucky, but every activity and
            experience from youth on was drawing him ever closer to the bosom of
            the ECK (Holy Spirit) to serve Its cause. In Late 1956 or early 1957
            Paul had the experience of God recorded in his book 'The Tiger's
            Fang.' Yet, if he had truly touched the face of God as early as
            1956, some may wonder why it took till 1965, another nine years, for
            him to become the Mahanta, the Living ECK Master. It's quite simple.
            One's habits and emotions build up over the years and although
            consciousness may take the lead, the individual's emotions can take
            awhile to play catch-up. . . . " (pages 181-182)

            "Paul's early efforts to present the teachings of ECK began well
            before he coined the words ECK and Eckankar to serve that purpose.
            He launched his mission at the humble roots, with weekly lectures to
            small groups of fifteen to thirty people at the California
            Parapsychology Foundation in southern California. In those days,
            Paul referred to Soul Travel as bilocation. It was, he said, the
            best way to reach the Supreme Oneness. He was trying to express the
            grandeur of the Sugmad, the Supreme Being, and taught that the way
            to It was through the Voice of God. We call this voice the ECK (Holy
            Spirit). . . . " (page 182)

            "Paul was learning to be his own best drumbeater as early as the
            1930's. Any time he achieved the smallest thing of note, he'd fire
            off a flurry of press releases or letters about it. Some would call
            him a shameless self-promoter; however, he was picking up the art of
            how to catch the public's eye. So without knowing the reason, Paul
            was urged to fine-tune his self-promotion. He learned to advertise
            himself in every possible way and in general was preparing for the
            future when he could turn his talent to promoting the books and
            articles on Eckankar and present it to the real God seekers in every
            corner of the world. . . . " (page 183)

            "The ECK teachings have been here since man's earliest history, but
            without the name of Eckankar. They have existed under various names
            in different eras because of the danger of presenting the pure
            teachings in public. But conditions have changed today. . . . "
            (page 183)

            "A Master Compiler The high teachings of ECK had been scattered to
            the four corners of the earth. Different religions held bits and
            pieces of them, but they had attached their own conditions, or
            strings . . . Paul's task was to gather the time-tested bits and
            pieces of the most accurate parts of what had been given in the
            past. In a sense, he became a master compiler. He collected the
            golden teachings scattered about the globe and rendered them into a
            single body of teachings, that made them readily available to all. "
            (page 184)

            ### So there we have it, Klemp's defense and explanations of how
            Twitchell began the eckankar religion! Klemp sure makes a lot of
            assumptions, doesn't he? And he expects the Chelas to lap it up! LOL!

            Mish


            prometheus wrote:

            Frey, Twitchell and Klemp only express a "truthiness." They are
            really just pathological liars! Here's a quote (pg.1) from the
            introduction of "The Tiger's Fang" by Paul Twitchell to give some
            insight about his distortions of truth: [Thanks Doug]

            *******************************************************************
            [PT] "The book came out of personal experience. What is written on
            these pages is not as important as the recording of those worlds
            that few Souls, other than the saints, have ever visited."

            [Me] So Paul is saying that what he embellished isn't as important
            as his listing of the God Worlds that only the "saints (versus Eck
            Masters) have ever visited."

            [PT] "Some will say this book is the wild fantasy of a highly
            developed imagination, but one must understand that there is nothing
            in the worlds of God without some degree of truth. Even fantasy is
            cast out of the material cloth of God, so how can fantasy be a
            complete untruth?"

            [Me]"So how can fantasy be a complete untruth?" Well Paul, if only
            the Pure and Posttive can exist in the true reality of the God
            Worlds then untruth (lies) and fantasy (fiction) could Not! There
            are only "degrees of truth" within the lower worlds! Twitch is just
            trying to issue a disclaimer of sorts, although, Eckists tend to
            overlook his own words which give a heads up. The Tiger's Fang was
            probably done as a combination novel and stepping stone to become
            the Radhasoami rep for the U.S. until Twitch decided to use it,
            years later, for his new religious vocation. Frey's book was first
            being presented as fiction until it was suggested that it be
            published as nonfiction. Mo money!

            [PT] "This statement should stagger the mind of man and shake the
            foundation of the teachings of orthodox religions, philosophies, and
            metaphysics. However, I am prepared to make my statements based on
            pure experience, and one must remember that all experiences are
            unique only to the experiencer."

            [Me] PT's continues his double-talk that a lie contains partial
            truth! Nope sorry not buying it! This is Not a paradox! However,
            there may be some facts mixed in with fiction to make a lie more
            believeable. Only a pathological liar like Twitch would make that
            statement and mix the two in order to confuse the issue! I do agree,
            however, that all memories are based on experiences and perception.
            We can make and change anything into what we want it to be. If one
            wants to use imagination and fantasy for writing fiction then this
            is acceptable when the reader is aware of this. It is interesting to
            explore such thoughts of fantasy for a reader. Non-fiction is
            interesting too although memories, we know, can't always be precise.
            However, lies are still lies and fiction is not truth!

            It is interesting that PT states, "ONE MUST REMEMBER THAT ALL
            EXPERIENCES ARE UNIQUE ONLY TO THE EXPERIENCER." IS THIS PAUL'S
            DISCLAIMER TO EVERYTHING HE STATES ABOUT ECKANKAR AND WHAT HE
            IMAGINES IS REAL? ARE THE ECK MASTERS JUST "CHARACTERS" AS JAMES
            FREY ALSO NOW CLAIMS ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE HE WROTE ABOUT!
            *******************************************************************

            It should be noted that Twitchell changed his Master Kirpal Singh's
            name to Rebazar Tarzs. And that Eck, Mahanta, and Sugmad were made
            up in order for Eckists not to associate these concepts with
            preconceived and learned facsimiles. Therefore, these are not
            exclusive or unique truths, or ancient! And, these words carry their
            own dogmatic misconceptions anyway! Generally, 'a rose is still a
            rose by any other name.' Personal experience is still what one makes
            of it, and should depend upon truth and not fantasy or delusion.
            Also, the creation of Rebazar, and other Eck Masters, is fundamental
            to the entire foundation of belief in Eckankar. Even Doug Marman has
            said that Twitchell changed Kirpal's name in The Tiger's Fang. [DOUG
            ALSO MENTIONED (IN A POST ON TRUTHSEEKER.COM} THAT HE THOUGHT
            REBAZAR IS A MYTH] So what Master's name did Twitch use in place of
            Kirpal's? Hmmmmmm. It was Rebazar! And, Twitch also used "Sudar" in
            place of Kirpal!

            Yes, Twitch would be like a deer caught in the headlights on Oprah!
            LOL! Actually, he'd lied for so many years that the confrontation
            might bring out even more goofyness as with Frey. These are very
            imbalanced people! As above so below... HK should know! LOL!

            Prometheus


            ctecvie wrote:

            Hello everybody,

            lately on a.r.e. ... :-)
            Ingrid

            ***********************
            Can You Imagine Paul Twitchell on the Oprah Show? LOL...
            by "Mr. Peabody's Buddy"

            Oprah Calls Defense of Author 'a Mistake'
            TV Talk Host Says James Frey 'Betrayed Millions of People'

            By EDWARD WYATT, The New York Times

            CHICAGO (Jan. 26) - In an extraordinary reversal of her strident and
            angry defense of the author whose book she catapulted to the top of
            the best-seller list, Oprah Winfrey said today she believed that the
            author James Frey "betrayed millions of people" by making up
            elements of his life in his best-selling memoir, "A Million Little
            Pieces."


            So, in spite of Doug Marmon and his cadre of Paul Twitchell
            Apologists, it appears reasonable people have a BIG problem with
            authors presenting fiction as fact.

            Paul Twitchell betrayed thousands but, unlike Mr. Frey's current
            trouble, his lies have gone uncorrected by him or his successors.
            The Eckankar religionists are guilty of collusion and coverup when
            it comes to the tawdry story of one of the 20th Century's most
            notorious liars...Paul Twitchell.

            Is it just a matter of time in this age of blogs before somebody like
            The Smoking Gun gets wind of the millions Eckankar has made off the
            lies of Paul Twitchell? Or is the story so small and unimportant that
            the general public could care less? Is this how Eckankar has survived
            for 40 years, by being so fringe-of-the-fringe that it flies under
            the radar of the truth-loving majority?

            Stay tuned...
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