Re: For Klemp Apologists...
- Hi Freefrom,
Yes, and if only Eckists could do some research and read "The Path
of the Masters" (1939 copyright) by Julian P. Johnson (a
Kentuckian). These Eckists would then see the true roots of Eckankar
and understand that these beliefs: in a Living Master; and past
Masters; the Bani; Satsang; initiation; Truth; the Science of proof
and of Self; the 5 passions & virtures of the mind; Soul; Self-
Realization; God-Realization; True and false 'Gurus' and how to
recognize them; etc., etc.; and most of Twitchell's con (that
rascal!) comes from Radhasoami (Surat Shabd Yoga)!
The above (and more) was all mentioned in the just introduction to
The Path of the Masters. Here's a short quote from page
XXIX: "Spirituality cannot be taught but caught." Any long time
Eckist will recognize how familiar these words are. Hmmmmmmm it
seems that this is yet another spiritual principle that is Not
exclusive to Eckankar!
Here's a quote from page 349 that Eckists might recognize as
well: "A rule laid down by the noble Buddha is a most excellent one
for all men to follow. He said that if you propose to speak, always
ask yourself--Is it true, is it necessary, is it kind?"
The problem that Eckists have is that they have blinders on and
think that their so called "truth" is unique. Unfortunately, this
delusion expands as their egos expand and protect them from being
harmed by the reality of real truth. <sigh> Still, that old saying
of, 'Ignorance is Bliss' becomes apparent when dealing with any
religion... and Eckankar is a definitely a religion! <smile>
Freefrom eckchains wrote:
LOL Alas, we must admit the horrid truth, klemp is but a mere mortal
and human after all. ;-) AND a derranged human at that!
Klemp apologists see him as having fluctuations in consciousness.
Apparently, the Living Eck Master has "limitations" whereas the
Mahanta does not. LOL! [How are they separate?] The apology for
Klemp is that the outer LEM will sometimes demonstrate "conditional"
love versus the "unconditional" love that the Mahanta always
demonstrates. This is the revisited excuse for his shortcomings.
Still, HK is a 14th (plus) Plane Initiate! How do 8th Initiates
usually react to people situations and speak of others? Okay, except
for Joan! [You may want to check out the Shariyat 2 chapter 12 to
follow along] Now try to imagine how a 9th Initiate would speak of
fellow Eckists or anyone for that matter! Okay, again, except for
Joan! Now imagine, if you can, the same for a 10th Initiate! Read
what the Shariyat says! Wow, we're really getting up there in
consciousness aren't we!? Consciousness is really expanding now!
Let's imagine how loving and detached an "11th Initiate" must be...
cool! Now let's go to the 12th Initiation and that of the LEM! Feel
the "unconditional" love! Now let's read what a 13th Initiate should
be like! Wow! Okay, one more to go... now the 14th Initiation!
Double Wow! This Mahanta person on the Physical Plane must be the
most evolved of all other humans! Right? NOT! Sorry 'bout that! It's
all made up and that's why the delusional Klemp can't have empathy
or be nice, loving, humble, or even smart! It's all cheap talk,
imagination through suggestion, and a con originated by Twitchell!
The problem with Klemp isn't because he skipped the 10th, and 11th
Initiations! Darwin skipped the 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th and 11th
Initiations! And Twitchell skipped all but the first (from Kirpal,
aka Rebazar)! Nope, the problem with Twitchell, Gross, and Klemp is
that they were/are not real masters. Let's face it, Harry Potter is
more real than the Mahanta!
Yes, Harry Potter is more "real" than the Mahanta. He is more
believeable than Klemp! Eckists want and need to believe and,
therefore, make excuses for their LEM/Mahanta when he exhibits lower
levels of consciousness and behavior. I understand this because I've
been there. I would also make excuses for Klemp to others (both
Eckists and non-Eckists) and to myself! I had too make excuses and
rationalize in order to accept the lies and delusion! However, the
more I looked around at the behavior of other H.I.s and listened to
their nutty views I realized that something was wrong with the Eck
Initiations. Eventually I realized that the Initiations were phoney
and that this was the simple, logical, and finally the obvious
reason for the contradictions of consciousness. And, this is the
same excuse used for Klemp! And after all, Klemp has written two
leadership books that instructs chelas on how to report bad H.I.
behavior! How does a chela report Klemp's bad behavior? Catch-22!
Anyway, here's a definition from the Eckankar Lexicon (pg 32) that
Klemp should really try to remember when he calls chelas
"compassion. That love which gives of itself freely to all and is
not limited, such as the love of the Living ECK Master for all; to
suffer with the sufferer. A supreme virture of Eckankar. See also
ahimsa." [ahimsa can also be found on page 102 of "The Path of the
So, it seems that the LEM's love is given freely and is "not
limited" and that he has compassion for all. NOT! LOL! See
how Klemp always contradicts himself! He can't say "loser" and have
compassion! And, nothing he says, or is written by him or by
Twitchell, has any "real" value. The words and writings taught in
Eckankar is its dogma. Yet, it is also written to not put too much
value on these words and writings because truth comes from within.
This is what Twitchell's former religion, Radhasoami, also teaches!
Why then do Eckists believe so strongly in the words that they are
told have little value? Is this another paradox? <smile> No, Eckists
are grasping at straws because Eckankar is no more valid than any
other religion! Going within does Not require a Mahanta's guidance!