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913Re: More On Klemp's 2005 EWWS Talk

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  • mishmisha9
    Nov 29, 2005
      So, what Eckankar is really about is controlling masses of people by
      being sexists--no females can become L.E.M. because they must draw
      their strength from the male batteries; by enticing people into
      believing that there are levels of initiations that lead them to God
      Realization when in fact these initiations are bogus and really just
      kicked out of a computer program that keeps track of paid membership
      dues and donations; and vahanna commitment--the busy work that is
      assigned to chelas to keep them busy, distracted and not involved in
      the business of real living! All of this leads to delusion and keeps
      seekers from attaining the spiritual goals they so much want. What
      is the purpose of all of this? For the people at the top, Twitchell,
      Gross, Klemp and their hinchmen--it comes down to the gratification
      of power and money, for them and for them alone. They get away with
      it, because the law does not protect individuals from such spiritual
      crimes. As individuals, we have to be careful what we buy into--and
      the responsibility comes back to us. Klemp and the others, though,
      in the final analysis will pay for these deceptions and lies--
      eventually--as more and more truths are revealed on the internet.
      But of course there will be those die-hard eckists who will tune
      out, because the truth will sting--they will have difficulty
      admitting and facing the fact that they have been spiritually
      conned! : )


      --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973"
      <prometheus_973@y...> wrote:
      > Hello All,
      > This quote is once again from Peter Anton's seminar notes found on
      > the HU-Chat BB.
      > HK: "'Seekers are heart people, so use heart methods to find them.'
      > Love methods or heart methods, where you love what you do.
      > Enthusiasm is infectious. People respond. Missionary work is fun.
      > You will find people who are alive, like you.
      > Birds of a feather flock together. A good way to be a Vahana."
      > Me: So seekers are emotional, mindless, and Astral in nature, but
      > loving as well?! So what "heart" methods are needed to find
      > Maybe cute little emotional stories that by-pass common sense and
      > reason are needed. And, it would help if people didn't ask too
      > questions about how the Eckankar hierarchy works!
      > Also, Eckists have to "love" being a Vahana, or at least act like
      > they do! Climbing the initiation ladder in Eckankar requires a lot
      > of acting "as if" you enjoy hours of volunteering, are always
      > and loving. Remember... Soul is a happy entity... so act like it.
      > else, someone will make note of it when your name comes up on that
      > printout!
      > "Enthusiasm is infectious... missionary work is fun... people will
      > respond!" Are Eckists to act giddy?! Yes, people will respond, but
      > not always in the way Eckists expect or would like. It's all very
      > illusionary and time consuming. It also drains one's private
      > resources. Only the newer brain-dead wanna-bees and older RESA or
      > 8th Initiate wanna-bees are buying into this hype... to a point!
      > time wasted on dozens of intros and book discussions, and all
      > of other crap, is never realized with more than one or two new
      > members. It all amounts to a lot of "busy work" as both a training
      > and elimination process (for higher positions and initiations),
      > also as a means to keep track of individuals and to give people a
      > sense of purpose and value within the Eck hierarchy. Instead of
      > Eckists living life... their Eck (Vahana) life lives them!
      > When Klemp says, "You will find people who are alive, like you.
      > Birds of a feather flock together". . is he also talking about
      > initiation levels? What does a Fifth Initiate have in common with
      > non-Eckist? If a non-Eckist is a "bird of a feather" with a Fifth
      > then what spiritual value does the Fifth Initiation have? Zero!
      > Wouldn't the real "birds of a feather" be those in one's circle of
      > initiation/consciousness? But, since there are No real initiations
      > or circles then I can see why long time and high ranked Eckists
      > are "birds of a feather" with non-Eckists. They are on more of an
      > even level of consciousness with new seekers than they could ever
      > dare conceive!
      > Prometheus
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