846Re: Klemp states: Love, except for relationships, is not needed much
- Nov 2, 2005--- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973"
where in Eckankar works is written, that "God and Allah are only as
is't in Eckankar Lexicon too?
thank you christel
> Hi Liz,
> Eckankar sees God and Allah (at best) as 4th Plane dieties! Both
> and Allah are on the same level of consciousness as is a Fourthbegin
> Initiate in Eckankar! Therefore, Darrell Johnson's comments about
> Klemp seeing himself as the "Son of God" is rather understated.
> Klemp uses "common language" as a means to decieve the public. When
> Klemp uses the term "God" he is actually referring to SUGMAD. And
> Klemp defines the Mahanta as being the incarnation of SUGMAD
> (pg.130, Eckankar Lexicon). In Eckankar the Higher Initiations
> with the Fifth Plane Initiations. An Eckist with the Fifthrepost
> Initiation is Higher than God and Allah! Therefore Jesus and
> Mohammed (and all others) are seen as even lower in consciousness
> than those Eckists on the Fourth Plane! Yet, Klemp even quotes from
> the Christian Bible to further decieve the public of the real dogma
> and beliefs of Eckankar. If any Eckist would deny this they are
> either a newer Eckist, don't read much or lack awareness, or they
> are lying!
> Elizabeth wrote:
> Prometheus wrote:
> The following Klemp quote was taken from HU-Chat, an "unofficial"
> Eckankar Yahoo Group Site
> Harold's quote:
> "You never really know your spouse. Love is for relationships.
> Otherwise you don't need it much. Relationships between people and
> between people and animals.
> *** My comments:
> While reading from a.r.e. this morning I came across a recent
> by leaf. I snipped a paragraph below that stood out for me.never
> I find it interesting that Harold spoke at the recent WW; "You
> really know your spouse. Love is for relationships. Otherwise you3/4
> don't need it much." I wonder if Harold has read the below repost,
> which was originally posted by Darrell Johnson, Ford Johnson's
> brother on April 22nd 2004 titled "Eckankar Spiritual Leader Claims
> Title of Son of God" located at
> Does Eckankar Still Work For The Eckist?
> Do you know the truth about that religion or path?
> Much like a personal relationship filled with love and devotion,
> it "works" for both partners when it is based on trust 3/4 truth
> and love. However, if one partner is unfaithful or has beenrevealed.
> dishonest about fundamental issues, a relationship that may appear
> to pass all the tests cannot do so without fundamental compromises
> once the deception, the lies and the dishonesty is finally
> So, the questions that comprise this test presuppose that an
> affirmative response is based on knowing the real history of the
> religion and what it represents.
> *** So Harold's comment seems clear now.... Create that question
> of doubt and suspicion in the members minds about their loved one,
> in turn create a stronger reliance on the LEM / Mahanta. You can
> only trust the Mahanta..... so I wonder how many fanatical eckies
> went home with this quote playing over and over in their minds?
> Returning home they have been implanted with another brainwashing
> techneque, complete love and reliance on that Mythical God Man....
> Love is for relationships, otherwise you don't need it ["LOVE"]
> much? Seems BIG Harry has been the unfaithful one in his
> relationships.... and who really needs him? ;-) NOT ME
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