6745Re: Eckankar Renews, Revitalizes, Revamps, Repeats, and Regurgitates
- Jul 25, 2013To those who actually want to believe that klemp is the highest state of consciousness, well anything that he utters, no matter how inane or outright dumb, is considered some kind of golden wisdom. The eckist may actually believe that he is being a shifty Godman that is showing proof of no ego or some other absurd rationalization.
--- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973" <prometheus_973@...> wrote:
> Hello Sharon and All,
> Glad you are doing well as
> are most of us who have left
> the cult and the lies, delusions,
> and codependency.
> Correct! These are the same
> 17 discourses, except, they've
> been tweaked (edited), repackaged,
> and include a workbook and
> a CD. Klemp can't come up
> with anything better worth
> saying which, obviously, proves
> he's not what he claims.
> And, if one reads comments
> and perspectives from the Dali
> Lama or a host of other "spiritual"
> masters you will see that Klemp
> does not even come close to
> these higher levels of intellect
> or of consciousness.
> This is a problem for ECKists
> since Klemp claims, as the
> Mahanta, to be of the "Highest
> Consciousness" on earth and
> of all other Planes.
> Therefore, ECKists have to put
> their blinders on and not read
> other authors. Except, most
> EKists do read Rumi (a Muslim)
> and enjoy his perspectives of
> god/spirit. Why, then, can't Klemp
> express himself more cleverly
> and with more inspiration and
> spirituality than Rumi had? This
> is why EKists are in denial. They
> have no choice, unless, they begin
> to question why that huge elephant
> is standing in the corner of the room.
> Really, Klemp can't even expand
> upon the words of Rumi or of 2nd
> initiate Jesus or the Buddha. And,
> since HK is incapable of being more
> than his and PT's redundant and
> borrowed (past) thoughts and 20/20
> hindsights don't expect much from
> these discourses. What ever happened
> to prophecy? HK claims to be a
> Modern Prophet but he never proves
> it. This is one more thing that EKists
> are in denial about.
> There's actually a long list of topics
> that each ECkist must come to deny
> and never question (out loud). After
> awhile one simply accepts more and
> more lies, distortions, promises,
> assumptions, and hearsay testimonials
> on "faith."
> The belief or faith is reinforced via
> self-hypnotic suggestions and from
> the talks and discourses which result
> in "special" dreams. This self-
> hypnosis via desires has EKists look
> for "signs" to reenforce their faith.
> Others experience what seems to
> be paranormal activities as proof
> of faith and see this as Higher
> Consciousness expectation and
> promise. Little do they understand
> that Klemp had nothing to do with
> their subjective awareness of their
> mental inner/outer surroundings.
> Sharon wrote:
> Ha, I bet the "new" study program is the same old, same old - maybe they've just
> rearranged the order in which they send them out again?
> When I first joined, I couldn't wait to get those "higher" discourses, looked
> forward to learning all those great spirichul secruds they promised - except as
> the years went on, they changed the order of the discourses around so formerly
> "high" ones were sent a lot sooner, and I eventually learned that a lot of the
> material was already in the "public" books - so much for those promises, and the
> warnings about how the profane non-eckist would self-destruct if they were
> allowed to peek at them!
> Hey, if anyone's got the new stuff, hope they'll make them public, scan & post
> them in the files here and at eckankartruth.
> Looking back - I've been out since '98 - in spite of all those death-threats
> about what happens when one leaves, I'd have to say the worst thing is I've got
> more hairs on my chin than I did back then. <gg> And the usual arthritis -
> except the hips & knees are mostly just fine, altho I know quite a few
> non-eckists who've needed new ones.
> Otherwise, my life is totally awesomely wonderful and I couldn't be happier!!
> Well, except I wish I was younger again. <sigh>
> Anyway - hi everyone!!!! Hope life is treating everyone well - and for any
> newbie exes out there, yeah it's a bit rough at first but hang in there, it
> takes a little time to wash the eck-crud out, but OMG you are going to be SO
> happy you woke up & got out!
> Think Snow, everyone!!
> prometheus wrote:
> > Hello Janice and All,
> > Yes, Klemp states that:
> > "Eckankar is taking a vital
> > step to bring a new spiritual
> > opportunity to you, your
> > fellow Eckists, and spiritual
> > seekers around the world."
> > The New ECK Study Program
> > (2013) is based upon a 1970
> > quote from PT's first Shariyat
> > and the borrowed dogma from
> > Sant Mat and a similar prophecy
> > from the Judeo-Christian Bible
> > as well as the Book of Mormon,
> > et al.:
> > "ECK [Spirit] is life itself, the
> > Audible Life Stream. The time
> > is coming that will bring ECK
> > to the world as a universal
> > spiritual belief. Mankind will
> > accept it. ECK will serve all
> > races of people and all countries."
> > Harold is "updating the presentation"
> > of the ECK discourses and the
> > ECK study program with a "greater
> > current" of the Light and Sound
> > of God. Really! I don't know how
> > he's doing it... more words(?) or
> > why he's waited so long but that's
> > the talk.
> > Here's more from Klemp's business
> > partner and the President of Eckankar,
> > Peter Skelskey (he knows where the
> > bodies are buried):
> > "All available resources of time,
> > energy, creativity, and finances
> > are being put forth to support
> > Sri Harold's vision for the future
> > of the ECK teachings on earth."
> > Wow! That sounds oddly familiar.
> > "The costs are substantial, yet
> > the spiritual benefits to mankind
> > are beyond measure."
> > That sound familiar too!
> > I wonder if Peter and Harold
> > will supply a financial report
> > in order to show where all of
> > these "costs" are going? LOL!
> > ECK Mission Fund Goal -
> > Eckankar has set an initial
> > fund-raising goal for 2013
> > of $3,000,000 to help support
> > this program.
> > Peter continues:
> > "Will you lend your heart and
> > hands to this great effort? Your
> > gifts, in whatever amount, are
> > truly appreciated. It will take
> > each and every one of us to
> > make it happen. You are the
> > heart and soul of the ECK mission.
> > You are a Co-worker with the
> > Mahanta."
> > See, now we all know that's Bullshit
> > because we were never "Co-workers"
> > "with" Sugmad or with the Mahanta.
> > We were always "Underlings" versus
> > Co-workers. It's a hierarchy! There's
> > no equality! You work "For" the higher
> > ups and not "with" the higher ups.
> > You are evaluated by the higher ups,
> > therefore, you are not peer to them.
> > There is only the facade of Soul=Soul
> > and of being a "Co-worker." It's
> > double-talk, and smoke and mirrors.
> > Here's more:
> > "Your gifts of love and service will
> > help many others find their way home
> > to God. I thank you from the bottom
> > of my heart for your help with this
> > great mission."
> > From the bottom of your heart?
> > Can't you be more original than that?
> > "PS If you want information on including
> > Eckankar in your will or estate plans,
> > check the designated box on the donation
> > form and return it in the enclosed envelope.
> > Also, if you would like to make a donation
> > via the Eckankar website, visit xxxxxxxxx/
> > Donate to make a secure donation via the
> > Internet."
> > "Learn to give, without ever
> > thinking of a reward. That's
> > how to find the treasures of
> > heaven." --Sri HK The Language of Soul
> > Of course there are several problems
> > with the above quote. First, it's a
> > lie. Next, Eckists expect and are
> > owed rewards via outer Initiations.
> > That's the way it's been set-up,
> > except, Klemp (a narcissist) refuses
> > to follow the established rules.
> > And, let's talk about this "heaven"
> > which is promised and is dangled
> > like a carrot in lieu of higher initiations.
> > Define this "heaven?" Where or what
> > is it? What "level?" It's just words!
> > It doesn't exist but if it did......
> > Klemp would be the last one to
> > know! Plus, Religious Dogma
> > designed for the masses will
> > never get you there (heaven) if
> > there is even such a "place" or
> > state. Isn't this obvious by now?!
> > Prometheus
> > Janice Pfeiffer wrote:
> > Oh wow, that sounds like more money in dues since every now and then a guilt
> trip will be laid on everybody to give and give some more to spread the word of
> the Eck especially since they haven't been very successful in dragging in more
> suckers. Hey, somebody has got to pay!
> > prometheus wrote:
> > Yes, more redundancy! After
> > almost twenty years of promising
> > "change" Klemp has finally
> > decided how he is going to
> > accomplish this. Unfortunately,
> > HK's not stepping down, but
> > there's always the hope that
> > he will... only to be dashed to
> > pieces after every Oct. 22. In
> > any case, here are some of the
> > incredible "program" changes
> > ready to take place to revitalize
> > a dying, stagnant, insignificant
> > and inherited religious scam:
> > * New discourse format with audio
> > CD and dynamic workbook activities
> > * Revitalized study program with
> > updated discourses in sequence for
> > chelas who have completed the first
> > seventeen years of ECK study
> > * Family membership to include two
> > discourses and two copies of the Mystic
> > World
> > * Letter of Light youth newsletter to
> > be included with each membership
> > with children under 18
> > * Easy membership donation options.
> > You may give as you are able. You can
> > now make monthly donations using a
> > credit card in the amount of your choosing.
> > See! What a change! What a revitalization!
> > Whatever!!!
> > Prometheus
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