6715About Klemp and Such
- May 15 12:16 PMHello All,
When one really thinks about
the men who created and
promoted Eckankar one has
to think "What if." Or, WTF!
What did Twit have in his
story telling "tool box" to
help him create a tax exempt
religion? What do all of these
people past, present and future
have in common that helped
them to create their scams?
Dedicated followers donating
time, money, and expertise
is certainly needed. But, what
did these early and present
day followers want or expect
in return? What did anyone
desire when they started out
on the "path?" How would they/
we be recompensed? No more
lifetimes here in the "ashcan?"
What else? Followers have their
egos stroked and are compensated
via Initiations (the higher the
better) and with position titles
which give prestige and power
and demands respect or else!
Whether hierarchy or not this
is the way religious businesses
It's all about Product promises
and imagined results and the
client. But it's also about brand
names and their generic copies.
Most people need the mind
alternating drugs provided by
religious dogma. The mind is
very powerful and will protect
and medicate itself via hook
Pretend is still as much fun for
adults (it's more obvious with
males) as it was when we were
children. Adults simply disguise
it, especially, when feeling unfulfilled
for one reason or another. Fear,
self-doubt, and curiosity create
distractions and safe places.
Games are okay as are books
and movies, but the pretend
involved with religious
belief is serious business!
After all; wars, torture, and
murder are associated with
I wonder, what did Darwin
and Harold have in their
"tool boxes" to be selected
as replacement clones?
What kind of an ego is needed
to become a Mahanta "in training?"
I would say that it helps to be
somewhat sociopathic and
narcissistic. These people
had a strong desire and need
to be in the spotlight and to be
admired. But a lack of conscience
is needed in order to mislead
people for their, and your, own
good of course! Darwin discovered
that what PT preached was all
a lie, but a part of him wanted
and needed to believe the lie.
Plus, he had admirers and a
role to fulfill as a "spiritual"
Klemp's psychopathy is closer
to Twitchell's, except, for the
Lutheran versus Eastern influence
and the problem with role models.
Both were social outcasts due
to their own psychosis while
trying to live up to their father's
expectations. On the surface,
it seems PT had more of a problem
with his mother while Klemp had
a problem with his father. One
has to wonder if Twitchell was
trying to disparage his father
more than his mother with his
story of being a bastard orphan
who was raised by the Twitchell's.
Then there was the story that
his father had gotten another
woman pregnant and brought
his son home to raise. This is
why his "step-mother" resented
Next, we have Klemp acting aloof
and pious around family members
and neighbors while thinking he
was better and smarter than them.
as a boy he alienated himself and
withdrew his love from them while
judging them through the eyes of
an immature and spiteful child. This
is why they sent him off to the private
Lutheran all boys school. Yet, years
later as an adult (1971), Klemp refused
to go home to attend his father's funeral
and to console his mother by quoting
Jesus, out-of-context, and rationalizing
by saying, "Let the dead bury the dead."
True, HK also said that he thought
that he might have a shot at being
selected as LEM because he had a
PT dream (as did others) and that's
why he wanted to attend the EK World-
wide Seminar. And, he claimed he
didn't have the cash for the plane.
Excuses, excuses. Still, if the reasons
were justified why did he feel the
need to add the Bible quote?
Oh well, I just thought I'd share
some thoughts. BTW- I did do the
free Kindle download of The Karma
Seekers but have only read 40 pages.
I will say that it sounds pretty much
like my own experiences. Driving
out to the L.V. desert for a Satsang
class taught by Harold with Helen
sounds familiar. Or, was that mentioned?
In any case it's a good and familiar
read so far and I'm looking forward
to see how the author discovers
and approaches the lies, deceit
and fear mongering (control tactics)
that Eckankar was founded upon
and promoted/sold by Klemp over