6684Re: Fw: Ho Hum, Another Cult and Clone of Eckankar
- Apr 9, 2013Hello Etznab and All,
Yes, Klemp needed to
have a "spiritual" name
since PT's was Peddar
Zaskq and DG's was
Dap Ren. Thus, in
one of their meetings
in the Sound Proof
Dark Room where
Klemp worked at the
ESC did Darwin ask
about what Harold
had come up with.
BTW- All of this is
in the 1987 "Soul
Travelers of the Far
Country" by Harold
Klemp. It's no wonder
Klemp stopped printing
this book it's full of
misspeaks for someone
Chapter 7 is full of
goodies. Here's an
example on page 148
and note that Klemp
was an 8th initiate
in 1980 (MY CAPS):
"In any case, this family
crisis forced me to take
a long hard look at the
meaning of detachment.
Was it really fear of living
that caused me to DESIRE
a detached life? IF I felt
compassion for my brother,
would that open my inner
bodies for taking on his
karma? After all, he made
the karma that produced
his sickness. Why should
I take a chance and get
it, too? What person in
his right mind would involve
himself in something as
deadly as cancer?"
Klemp, then, in 1987 as
a 12th initiate added this
perspective: "The real issue
turned out to be not detachment
at all, but surrender."
Okay, let's get back to the
original issue... How did
Klemp get his spiritual
name? For this we have
to look at Chapter 10
pages 202-203. Gross
asked Klemp on Oct. 9th
(1981) if he knew his spiritual
"Later that afternoon,
the Living ECK Master
dropped by again. In the
darkroom, he asked, 'Do
you know your spiritual
name?' 'Yes,' I said 'Z!'
'What?'..... 'How about
"The added syllable
meant the Inner Master
working with initiates in
a particular way on the
spiritual planes. Z, or
Wah Z, means the Secret
Of course, that last part
was added later for this
About this subject, there were rods back in Biblical days. And before
that, in Egypt. I remember the story of Moses and Pharaoh casting their
rods on the ground and one consuming the other (something like that).
So, evidently, people believed in the power of rods. They are in movies
like Lord of the Rings and other stories.
Back in Biblical times (and before) I suspect a rod (in the form of a
shepherd's crook) had some practical applications (like rescuing
livestock from a river). And in highland and mountain areas maybe it
was used as a walking stick.
By the time of the Egyptian Pharaoh's a number of different staffs had
developed. One of them was called the "was" scepter
"Was sceptres were used as symbols of power or dominion, and were
associated with the gods (such as Set or Anubis) as well as with the
pharaoh. Was sceptres also represent the Typhonic beast or Set-animal
(the mascot of the Egyptian god Set). In later use, it was a symbol of
control over the force of chaos that Set represented."
The spiritual name for the current leader of Eckankar is (curiously, I
believe) Wah Z. I'm not sure how that name came about, but remember
some story about Darwin pronouncing the word wahhh and asking Harold if
he knew the rest of it. Does anybody recall a story like that? Where
Darwin helped to give Harold his spiritual name?
At any rate, it seems that the "Rod of Power" paradigm (even outside of
Eckankar myth) has been around for ages. I imagine it's possible that
the founder of Eckankar probably read about it too. However, Rebazar
Tarzs is said to be the "torchbearer" for Eckankar, but much of his
words seem to read like pages from out of books. Books known by Paul
Twitchell, the founder!
Maybe someday I can look at earlier Eckankar texts that mention "Rod of
Power" & see whether any of that story was paraphrased, or plagiarized
from another source.
Ho Hum, Another Cult and
Clone of Eckankar
Ah, yes, more nonsense. This is a case of jumping out of the fire and
into the frying pan. Let's be blunt. There is no rod of power. There is
no rod of anything. It's all just bullshit. If you need the delusion
then have a great time with it. But it's such a ridiculous, unprovable
and absurd idea that I don't know where to begin.
The mind is a creative tool. It's capable of invention as well as
belief in invention. This is how god was created. Or, to be more
accurate, gods in the plural. The idea of a rod is merely another way
of saying spirit. But it's built on very flimsy circumstantial evidence.
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