6600Re: The Wishy-Washy Mahanta
- Jan 13, 2013Hello Non and All,
Actually, having good
with other people isn't
necessarily about making
new friends nor having
the same religious, political,
and lifestyle beliefs.
Trying to get others
to follow or accept our
beliefs isn't the goal.
It's more about being
others and, thus, to
ourselves. Usually, being
friendly and promoting
"friendship" (versus making
friends) isn't that hard
to accomplish. And, if
it is, we need to make
more of an effort and
figure out what it is that's
making this difficult.
Smiles, politeness, sharing
some small talk, and recognizing
the other person by looking
directly at them goes a
We can have a friendship
(i.e. relationship) with a
clerk whose full name we
might not ever know. It's
fun to simply, and naturally,
smile and be friendly to
strangers and acquaintances
without expecting anything
else. It takes the pressure
off everyone when we keep
it light. This lightness of
Being will help to improve
our lives and that of others.
It's true that we will never
be able to be friendly with
some people. And, we won't
always be friends with those
people we know now. Some
people don't deserve our
efforts and will never deserve
it. They are enemies to what
we believe in.
And, not all relationships
work out nor need to be
continued for the sake of
all those involved. Sometimes
people just have to let go
and move on even with
family members. But, these
are usually relationships
that have become complicated
via various factors and are
usually more one-sided
due to a lack of communication,
closed mindedness and
Our positive relationships
with nature, to animals,
and to other people are
connections that make our
lives worth living.
Prometheus, I like what you said in a previous post on this thread that we need
to focus more on caring relationships with others, sometimes easier said than
done, cause a lot of people in our society are not that interested in making new
friends. Finding people who aren't interested in some new or old Dogma has it's
challenges as well. However, I have noticed that the demographic of unaffiliated
as far as religion may be growing. :)
>teach them kindness through example and compassion. Alice Miller has written a
> Also, IMHO, it has to do with our woeful ability to care for our children, to
lot about some of the worst in our history, like Hitler and Stalin and some
possible reasons for why they became the psychopathic leaders of what was
inexhaustible destruction. Some sociopaths, given the power and opportunity to
act without impunity will not stop and won't be reformed. Then again some may.
In the mean time, the best approach is to continue to speak out against them,
otherwise they will see their actions as unopposed and rationalized somehow as
even a twisted moral imperative.
>direction and they have not found in themselves a heart with empathy, at some
> Though they may be damaged or even genetically bent in a certain malevolent
point they simply must be opposed at every possible way, even though it may seem
like a small intervention.
>situations that have really cautioned me about how some will intentionally con
> Anyway, that's my one point of view for now. Recently, I've had several
and steal and lie in a very deliberate mix of what seems to be sincerity and
outright manipulation for their own personal gain. I have felt hurt and shocked
at the same time. I am learning that it is really a good idea to be vigilant,
and it is a balancing act of how to do this while still not closing off your own
heart and sense of kindness, which I think starts with yourself.
>Janice Pfeiffer wrote:
> Non ;)
> >Hi I am,
It is not that I feel tolerant of the sociopath but it seems inevitable that
we deal with them. I do believe they are those who haven't learned much yet.
So I feel like the best we can do is keep them from harming us as much as
possible and let them go on their way.
Thanks for your comments.
> >I AM wrote:
> >Thanks Prometheus for writing challenging angles to view life from. And
regardless of our origins it still seems to come down to finding and sharing
meaning, purpose, love, care etc. in our lives.
> >sociopathically insane really touched me. I have a lot of learning to get to the
> > Wow Janice your heart-felt expression of love for life and tolerance for the
point that you expressed....very inspirational amd appreciated.
> >Janice Pfeiffer wrote:
> > I AM
> > >Thank you Prometheus, I enjoyed your writing very much. The way I see
it when the bad guys do bad things and the sociopaths use it for their purposes,
there are always the good guys who step forth and do the right things. We
talked a lot about that school shooting recently and I believe that is a
happening that stunned us all. The senselessness of what happened is not
something a loving heart can even begin to understand. But there where
people there who gave their lives to protect helpless children. There were
people from all over the country who helped in anyway they could. That town
came together to support each other in an amazing way. Shared grief does
appear to make a lighter burden for the individual. So for me, I think there
is a kind of balance of good and evil even if it is the evil we hear the most
about. We hear so much of the bad it is hard to keep believing in the
good. But when people are hurt, there are always others
> > > who come forward and do what they can to give comfort and love. Itdoesn't take the pain away but it shows those who are hurting that there is
still love in the world and no number of atrocities can destroy that
willingness to help others. Maybe part of growing is learning to discern the
motives of others and learning not to be taken in by sociopaths. Maybe part
of what we are here to do is to love against all odds when the media blasts us
everyday with horrible stories and tells us how close we are to being blown away
by foreign threats. Maybe what we are learning is that a loving heart is a
strong heart while those who usually do these horrible things are afraid and
broken inside. Maybe those sociopaths aren't the strongest either since it
takes so much energy just maintaining their facades that they don't really see
the precious things in life like those loving relationships you mentioned.
After all, most of them are so busy hiding their
> > > true selves they are obviously cowards. They don't live life, theyhide from life while trying to grab all they can for themselves. You got to
admit that life is full of smoke and mirrors and the real gems in life may not
sparkle like diamonds but do give off a quiet beauty that only those with the
knowledge to appreciate them can even see them. So I guess those sociopaths
have a lot of learning to do and a lot of growing to do before they can ever
even start to see a glint of beauty in life itself. When you love, your
heart can break but can you really say the love wasn't worth it? I would
rather know my heart will hurt than not to feel anything for others at all.
Strong loving hearts will mend but those shattered beings who harm and use
others haven't even begun the journey. Loving hearts can and will share the
pain. Eckankar doesn't do anything for anyone but eckankar. So what does
that say about the lem and the other leaders of eckankar? I'd say those they
use are closer to perfection than they can even see. Bless all the loving eckist
> > >prometheus wrote:
> > > Hello I Am, Non, and All,
> > > I'm not so sure that humans
> > > will ever become like, God,
> > > our imagined or possible
> > > creator. And, if at all, certainly
> > > not in any lifetime soon.
> > >
> > > But, it could be that the
> > > universe(s) just happened
> > > and that the remnants of
> > > other life forms were spread
> > > to this planet, and others,
> > > via space rubble... from
> > > destroyed civilizations
> > > and planets. Or, was it an
> > > intentional seeding by an
> > > advanced race... which was,
> > > itself, seeded by another
> > > advanced race etc.
> > >
> > > Maybe the "spiritual"
> > > experiences we have
> > > are the result of
> > > interaction with the
> > > quantum mechanical
> > > field?
> > >
> > > Anyway, it seems to me
> > > that what really matters
> > > are relationships. It's our
> > > relationships with others,
> > > even strangers, that matter
> > > most. This is how we really
> > > learn and grow. Loving
> > > relationships are valuable.
> > >
> > > Klemp, and others like
> > > him, are: liars; posers;
> > > have arrested development;
> > > are sociopathic; narcissistic;
> > > and are even psychopathic.
> > > They are incapable of learning,
> > > or caring about others (are
> > > unloving) and attempt to
> > > impede social progress and
> > > justice. They use the rest of
> > > us for their own personal
> > > greed and selfish desires.
> > >
> > > Then, again, this strife and
> > > uncertainly (stress) that is
> > > created can make life interesting
> > > and a challenge, although,
> > > it can/will also be physically
> > > and emotionally painful.
> > >
> > > But, having a regular life
> > > without additional commitments
> > > and involvements can also
> > > offer rewarding experiences
> > > and insights. We are never
> > > all that alone. However, I'm
> > > not sure how peace of any
> > > sort (except in one's own mind)
> > > will ever happen in a world
> > > controlled by sociopaths.
> > >
> > > One must care about everyone
> > > and have caring relationships
> > > with people in order for humankind
> > > to advance and survive. To me,
> > > this is the "spiritual" key to life.
> > > I almost included animals, too,
> > > but since I'm not vegan I couldn't
> > > include "caring" about them (all)
> > > too.
> > >
> > > How can one really "care" about
> > > the sociopaths and psychopaths
> > > except to keep them away from
> > > nice, loving and kind (normal?)
> > > people.
> > >
> > > When one thinks about it the
> > > definition of what's "normal"
> > > keeps changing. The extroverts
> > > seem to be more pathological
> > > than the introverts don't you
> > > agree? Yet, the extroverts try
> > > to force us introverts to become
> > > extroverted. Why is that? Misery
> > > loves company I suppose or is
> > > it that an army of glassy-eyed
> > > introverts acting, as if, extroverted
> > > is more intimidating.
> > >
> > > In any case the idea of a "God"
> > > to worship and viewed as being
> > > "involved" in our lives detracts
> > > from "us" being involved in our
> > > lives because of the differences
> > > we see in one another. This is
> > > why there are so many different
> > > religious dogmas of what's right
> > > and wrong.
> > >
> > > Therefore, the differences in the
> > > way in which "God" is worshipped,
> > > for me, shows that "God" does not
> > > exist. We don't want to be alone
> > > nor take responsibility for our own
> > > actions. Thus, we blame God or
> > > use God as our scape goat.
> > >
> > > There are major flaws with all
> > > of these religions and the so-called
> > > "source" of their scriptures. It's
> > > all hearsay and the only thing
> > > that, supposedly, gives them
> > > validation is that these various
> > > people in history/myth that the
> > > scribes wrote about are claimed
> > > to have said or done some nice,
> > > inspirational, brave, or insightful
> > > things a very long time ago. Age/
> > > time (being ancient) seems to
> > > have given them credibility, because
> > > it is believed and taught that
> > > only Divine Intercession could
> > > have been the source for their
> > > Divine Inspiration.
> > >
> > > But, IMO, there are many people,
> > > today, who are not even followers
> > > of these dogmas that are as, or
> > > more: honest; brave; insightful;
> > > inspirational; aware; and "spiritual"
> > > than the prophets, saints, and founders
> > > of these major and minor religions.
> > > Many of these people inspired
> > > others by never giving up in time
> > > of conflict because, sometimes,
> > > there weren't many other choices.
> > > Even those who did give up and
> > > had bad things befall them, still,
> > > maintained their faith and this
> > > fact turned them into "prophets"
> > > or saints. If this is the standard
> > > for religions there are an awful
> > > lot of believers and faithful, today,
> > > that just as deluded and desperate.
> > >
> > > Prometheus
> > >
> > >
> > > iam999freedom" wrote:
> > > Yes Non, combine authoritarianism
> > > with unconditional love for the
> > > master and you get a submissive
> > > control pattern as your reward.
> > > Buyer beware!
> > >
> > > Prometheus, you wrote:
> > > "All of this, it seems, is simply
> > > an experiment to see if we
> > > are all capable of evolving
> > > into our "spiritual" potential.
> > > Are we to become more than
> > > merely a divine thought?
> > > Maybe there is something
> > > more to that piece of a mirror
> > > analogy."
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