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6580Re: The Wishy-Washy Mahanta

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  • prometheus_973
    Jan 6, 2013
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      Hello Non and All,
      Thanks for the insightful
      summary. I was exploring
      the dogma of some fundamentalist
      charismatic Christian churches
      and saw a reference to a
      minor (Jewish) prophet:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Habakkuk

      This person is mentioned
      not by Jesus but by one of
      his apostles in order to inspire
      Faith.

      Even when God seems to
      turn his back and: causes
      crops to fail; flocks to be
      lost; cities attacked and
      overrun by your enemies;
      people brutalized, tortured
      and killed, one is to have
      Faith in God and a hereafter
      reward for keeping this
      faith. God's ego needs
      you to believe in him
      regardless of what pain
      he allows to befall you.

      One needs to project
      a sense of hope in order
      to better endure life, as
      it is, no matter how bad.

      And, it's easier to face these
      challenges when you believe
      that God is on your side and
      not that of your oppressor.

      However, does God really
      take sides? It seems that God
      is/was created in man's image.

      All of this, it seems, is simply
      an experiment to see if we
      are all capable of evolving
      into our "spiritual" potential.
      Are we to become more than
      merely a divine thought?
      Maybe there is something
      more to that piece of a mirror
      analogy.

      Anyway, religions (even Eckankar)
      has the belief that you (and your
      fellow believers or countrymen)
      deserved the punishments as
      repayment for sin. Some call it
      Karma or cause and effect, or
      what you sow you reap. Plus,
      most religions see everyday
      living and hardships as a test
      of faith. Yet, one is supposed
      to donate money to support
      the specific dogma that, basically,
      says and promises the same
      or similar things in the imagined
      hereafter.

      Plus, each religion has always
      blamed the non-believers for
      the sins that they suffer under
      as well. Eckankar is no different
      and Klemp is more like these
      preachers than EKists could ever
      admit.

      Well, got to go now....
      I just had some thoughts
      to share.

      Prometheus

      "Non" wrote:
      So true about Googling Krishnamurti or the current Dahlia Lama for quotes
      compared to klemp. Why? Furor Klemp just doesn't do his own spiritual exercises,
      because he is a FRAUD. Ever see him lead his followers in anything beyond maybe
      a hu chant or something else lame. Everything he learned was from plagiarized
      material and he didn't even bother to study under anyone besides a con artist
      "living eck master", twitch and gross. He rides on the coat tails of deceivers
      and peddlers of consumer packaged DELUSION. Anything he says is carefully
      crafted by probably ghost writers in books and stupid answers to ask the master
      etc.

      Krishnamurti disavowed Theosophy when he could have exploited others as the new
      World teacher. That's honesty and integrity and he would say to not believe in
      anything he said, but find out for your self. The Dahlia Lama is similar and
      admits that he does not know for sure if he is the true Dahlia Lama and to
      always question your teacher or "Master", and he has turned leadership in Tibet
      in exile into a Democracy. Klemp never says to question him, because as is
      stated on the WEB site, eckankar is a hierarchical religion, with the living eck
      master as the ultimate authority. (Mein Kampf (My Struggle by HItler) by klemp
      is a more appropriate title to his life story.)

      They just can't seem to let go of authoritarianism. Kind of sickening when you
      think of it. And I notice that they have been going out of their way to
      advertise in the Newspaper under the religious section. The ad is very benign on
      the surface, but is pure lies and deception. I wonder how many are actually
      drawn into at least wasting 6 months to a year or more before they figure out it
      is a fraud. I should go down to the Library and post some kind of sign.

      Non ;)

      prometheus wrote:

      Hello Janice,
      Yes, one would think that
      a "Modern Day Prophet"
      would, at least, attempt
      to live up to his PR, but
      that's not the case with
      Klemp. Why put himself
      out there by demonstrating
      his powers? It's not like
      he announced to the
      whole world that he was....
      oh wait, he did!

      That was a long time ago
      and he never did make
      any predictions as most
      prophets do. Even Twit
      made some predictions.
      But, I'm sure that EKists
      haven't noticed and don't
      mine and that's why he
      doesn't feel any pressure
      to preform his responsibilities
      as a real prophet.

      Instead, Harold is very
      cautious of being too
      direct and understood.
      He'd rather have EKists
      fill-in the blanks and
      imagine what they want,
      need and expect until
      they go too far and have
      to have a behaviour
      adjustment by their RESA.
      That's why Klemp usually
      gives a very one dimensional
      perspective when he tells
      a story.

      Plus, Klemp's lazy so
      why put too much
      effort into it! And, he
      figures that all he needs
      to do is the KISS thing
      of Keeping It Simple (for)
      Stupid. Of course EKies
      will substitute Soul for
      Stupid but Stupid fits!

      It's really quite amazing
      how simple Klemp's
      redundant message is.
      If EKists would just compare
      Klemp's simple minded
      witticisms to other "spiritual"
      leaders one would have
      to wonder what they see
      in Klemp. He's an embarrassment,
      but they just laugh at his
      quirkiness because he's
      operating on so many
      high planes of consciousness
      simultaneously. LOL!

      Just Google Kristamurti's
      quotes or the Dali Lama's.
      Klemp, the great Mahanta,
      isn't even in the same ball
      park with the current Dali
      Lama! And, in HK's Autobiography
      (pg. 385) he claims that
      Buddhism is a 4th Plane
      religion while Eckankar
      is a 14th Plane Religion!
      But, EKists need to compare
      the two leaders and how
      they present themselves
      and what they have to say.

      Will ECKists make the
      comparison? No, of course
      not! They won't even allow
      the door to be opened a
      crack because some light
      might get in and show
      them the Truth. They can't
      handle the Truth and
      would rather remain ignorant.
      It's much easier, besides,
      what would they replace
      Eckankar with? It's too much
      responsibility to think for
      oneself and exercise free
      will. And, it would make
      life too lonely to lose all
      of those EK friends.

      Prometheus


      Janice Pfeiffer wrote:
      Well, since HK is the mahanta why couldn't he have simple told the man that the
      child was or was not the soul of his mother? Yep, he is wishy washy to say the
      least. He doesn't seem to ever answer a question directly. I guess he is
      afraid to give a committed answer because some one else might write in and ask
      the same question and he might give the opposite answer. Smells like a
      charlatan to me.


      Prometheus wrote:

      The December 2012
      Eckankar Mystic World
      in the Ask the Master
      section are two interesting
      questions and answers.

      The first question has
      to do with Stress and
      how to overcome it.

      HK's answer is wishy-
      washy at best. He says
      that stress is "very
      uncomfortable... Yet
      stress is a good teacher."

      Klemp goes on to say
      that people can increase
      their tolerance to stress
      by eating healthy, getting
      enough sleep, and by
      "Reducing our overuse
      of electronic devices."

      In other words it seems
      Klemp is saying, in a
      roundabout way, to use
      moderation. After all,
      he's saying to reduce
      "overuse."

      Then, again, how does
      a EK staffer at the ESC
      not use their computer
      8 hours a day?

      The next question involves
      reincarnation. This guy's
      wife gave birth to a baby
      boy and two days later his
      mother translated (died).
      He indirectly asked if this
      new baby was his mother.

      Instead of giving this EKist
      a direct answer, Klemp,
      the wishy-washy Mahanta
      says, "Yes, it is quite possible.
      When it comes to rebirth,
      anything at all can happen...
      Whichever Soul is now your
      son, everything is in accord
      with what is best for all around."

      Prometheus
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