6556Re: A BOOK ABOUT LOVE
- Dec 25, 2012Hello All,
It's all interesting mental
gymnastics and circular
thinking fueled by myth.
When reading about lila I
thought of Lillith and how
God kept screwing up in
order to please Adam.
--- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, etznab@... wrote:
> A couple more things about Lila, I offer a couple contemplation seeds
> (what I recently found) from the following link.
> "[...] It is perhaps best not to think of this in a temporal and
> sequential way, but rather in structural terms. Not first there was
> unity and then there was differentiation into multiplicity, but rather
> that there is self that is also always other and that such a
> perspective isnât possible in any static sense, but only in movement.
> [... .]"
> I really liked that excerpt and what it contained.
> This next excerpt makes things sound a bit confusing, but from that
> whole page it was the other section I found most interesting.
> "As we learned from Schiller, Gadamer, and Derrida, play is more akin
> to the ceaseless structurality of the self-referential paradox that
> resides, according to Handelman, in the boundary, the passage place.
> For Schiller play is a âthird thingâ or âdriveâ that arises when two
> drives that are in a relationship in which each enables and controls
> the other interact in âconcert.â This âthird thing,â play, is thus more
> accurately the oscillatory interactive reversible interdependent
> connection that holds the two together while assuring that neither ever
> overwhelms the other or that they dissolve their differences into a
> unity. Play is the way of acknowledging this kind of structurality,
> this perpetual movement, this magical interrelationship, this
> vitalizing connectivity that, as Schiller moved us to see, is Beauty."
> It would probably be easier to look at the first excerpt only. And in
> that case, would anybody here care to comment?
> -----Original Message-----
> From: etznab18 <etznab@...>
> To: EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous
> Sent: Tue, Dec 25, 2012 4:33 pm
> Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Re: A BOOK ABOUT LOVE
> "Perhaps the One takes on the illusion of being something less in order
> to experience life to enhance it."
> This reminds me about the concept of Lila. However, there are several
> different renditions of what Lila means. The one by Fritjof Capra, from
> The Tao of Physics (1975) is the one I am most familiar with.
> I think it might be insightful to learn how the concept of Lila first
> originated and then evolved.
> --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "iam999freedom"
> iam999freedom@ wrote:
> > Hi Etznab, You wrote, "What would creation be for a creator if the
> creator did not know the effect of a creation?"
> > In a previous post you wrote, "Here's another thought. Maybe there
> is no distinction between God and Soul. That there are no Souls and no
> Gods. And that everything that exists, all individuals, are inherently
> nothing but the same ONE thing which, for some, is something they
> sacrifice by living under the illusion of being something less. In this
> case it is no less than "God" responsible for all good things and all
> evil things as a matter of individual choice."
> > In a previous post I wrote to yours above, "If so, how is life
> enhanced or evolved by playing this game of "hide and go
> seek"?ie.,individualizing in the physical form while beyond space and
> time being One(God).
> > Perhaps the One takes on the illusion of being something less in
> order to experience life to enhance it. We make choices to eventually
> enhance life through love and compassion. We eventually become
> identified with our choices so that we become love and are able to be
> it and express it not only in this life but much more fully in the
> "higher worlds" where there is no space and time and body limitations.
> > I should mention that there are many things in the book not
> mentioned in my e-mail due to trying to keep things brief. Also as the
> author states, the worlds he experienced were expanding and were only
> a glimpse of the Core.
> > Sorry for the long post. Also, by love I also mean beauty, joy,
> compassion, science, sports etc, etc, being infused by love.
> > I AM
> > --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, etznab@ wrote:
> > >
> > > About the quote from the book, the word that came to me was
> karma ...
> > > in the sense of cause and effect. I am not saying that I
> > > believe in all the different religious dogma definitions of
> > > Rather, I am looking at the word literally and believe that
> it suggests
> > > "action" ("kara") and action of a personal nature.
> > >
> > > It just seems rudimentary there be a way to learn about
> action by the
> > > effect it has. What would creation be for a creator if the
> creator did
> > > not know the effect of a creation? And, perhaps, knowing the
> effect is
> > > the way that creators learn? A classical example is that baby
> > > about fire by being burned. In that sense karma, or the
> action of
> > > touching fire, is instructive.
> > >
> > > I often have heard the saying that people are responsible for
> > > everything that happens to them, good and bad, as if they had
> > > to do with it. However, given free will, one person could
> > > something bad (nuclear experiments, tests and bombs) that
> > > millions of people, but I do not necessarily believe that the
> > > affected are "responsible" as if they created such things.
> That they
> > > created nuclear fallout. Believe it or not, I remember even
> > > Klemp writing something to this effect years ago which, in so
> > > words, sounded like a debunking of predestination and the
> idea that
> > > people are "responsible" (it is their karma) for everything
> > > happens to them. Instead, I got the impression Harold was
> saying there
> > > were examples where other people create things that can
> affect us, and
> > > that they are things we are not each personally "responsible"
> > >
> > > What I guess I am saying is that free will allows for
> individuals to
> > > make "bad" choices, or choices that affect other people in a
> "bad" way.
> > > History is filled with examples.
> > >
> > > ***
> > >
> > > Now, on the other hand, when Harold Klemp wrote about "free
> will" and
> > > genes in the December 2012 Wisdom Note I had to say to
> myself: "It
> > > looks to me like Harold has lost it!"
> > >
> > > Btw, I read that Wisdom Note just before bed. In the morning
> when I
> > > turned on the TV there was a news blurb about conjoined twins
> that had
> > > been successfully separated. Then they went on to describe
> the twins
> > > and how they were NOT the same and that (in so many words)
> one had a
> > > different character than the other.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: iam999freedom <iam999freedom@>
> > > To: EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous
> > > EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Sun, Dec 23, 2012 8:50 pm
> > > Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] A BOOK ABOUT LOVE
> > >
> > > ÃÂ
> > > I thought I'd share for those who may be interested about a
> > > book I've just finished reading. You may have heard about the
> > > already as it was written recently in 2012 and received some
> > > attention. The name of the book is "Proof of Heaven: A
> > > Journey into the Afterlife" by Eben Alexander, MD.
> > >
> > > What makes his NDE (near death experience) so interesting is
> > > before it he was an atheist and also because the validity of
> his NDE
> > > cannot be explained by conventional scientific/medical
> thought. He was
> > > attacked by e-coli menningitis and lay in a coma for seven
> > > completely brain dead in the areas of the brain whereby a NDE
> > > consciousness are considered possible. That he completely
> recovered is
> > > also considered to be a medical miracle. In the condition he
> was in
> > > there is a 90% death rate and even upon survival living in a
> > > state is expected.
> > >
> > > It's interesting how sometimes life works in synchronicity. I
> placed a
> > > hold on this book at the library about 3 months ago and just
> > > the book this past Friday. In the wake of the Newtown
> shootings I was
> > > so shocked and saddened that the core of my experiences and
> > > were being crushed.
> > >
> > > Even though I am still deeply pained about what happened I
> now have a
> > > refreshed look at Ourselves and God (Whole, Love), evil, free
> will etc.
> > > I also feel rejeuvinated about the meaning of my life on
> > >
> > > The following is an excerpt from the book that I found richly
> > > within me:
> > >
> > > "there is not one universe but many - in fact more than I
> > > conceive - but that love lay at the center of them all. Evil
> > > present in all the other universes as well, but only in the
> > > trace amounts. Evil was necessary because without it free
> will was
> > > impossible, and without free will there could be no growth -
> no forward
> > > movement, no chance for us to become what God longed for us
> to be.
> > > Horrible and as-powerful as evil somtimes seemed to be in a
> world like
> > > ours, in the larger picture love was overwhelmingly dominant,
> and it
> > > would ultimatlely be triumphant."
> > >
> > > The book has many vivid descriptions of the other worlds,
> > > debate and spiritual discussion, and is written in both a
> simple and
> > > explicit fascinating way that evoked love and compassion.
> > >
> > > Perhaps as importantly it emphasises that such worlds/states
> can be
> > > experienced with persistence meditative/comptemplative effort.
> > >
> > > I Am
> > >
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