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6556Re: A BOOK ABOUT LOVE

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  • prometheus_973
    Dec 25, 2012
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      Hello All,
      It's all interesting mental
      gymnastics and circular
      thinking fueled by myth.
      When reading about lila I
      thought of Lillith and how
      God kept screwing up in
      order to please Adam.

      http://gnosis.org/lilith.htm

      Prometheus

      --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, etznab@... wrote:
      >
      > A couple more things about Lila, I offer a couple contemplation seeds
      > (what I recently found) from the following link.
      >
      > http://www.sam-gill.com/Lecture%20PDFs/Lila%20nataraja%20and%20dancing%20as%20play.pdf
      >
      > "[...] It is perhaps best not to think of this in a temporal and
      > sequential way, but rather in structural terms. Not first there was
      > unity and then there was differentiation into multiplicity, but rather
      > that there is self that is also always other and that such a
      > perspective isn’t possible in any static sense, but only in movement.
      > [... .]"
      >
      > I really liked that excerpt and what it contained.
      >
      > This next excerpt makes things sound a bit confusing, but from that
      > whole page it was the other section I found most interesting.
      >
      > "As we learned from Schiller, Gadamer, and Derrida, play is more akin
      > to the ceaseless structurality of the self-referential paradox that
      > resides, according to Handelman, in the boundary, the passage place.
      > For Schiller play is a “third thing” or “drive” that arises when two
      > drives that are in a relationship in which each enables and controls
      > the other interact in “concert.” This “third thing,” play, is thus more
      > accurately the oscillatory interactive reversible interdependent
      > connection that holds the two together while assuring that neither ever
      > overwhelms the other or that they dissolve their differences into a
      > unity. Play is the way of acknowledging this kind of structurality,
      > this perpetual movement, this magical interrelationship, this
      > vitalizing connectivity that, as Schiller moved us to see, is Beauty."
      >
      > It would probably be easier to look at the first excerpt only. And in
      > that case, would anybody here care to comment?
      >
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: etznab18 <etznab@...>
      > To: EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous
      > <EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com>
      > Sent: Tue, Dec 25, 2012 4:33 pm
      > Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Re: A BOOK ABOUT LOVE
      >
      >  
      > "Perhaps the One takes on the illusion of being something less in order
      > to experience life to enhance it."
      >
      > This reminds me about the concept of Lila. However, there are several
      > different renditions of what Lila means. The one by Fritjof Capra, from
      > The Tao of Physics (1975) is the one I am most familiar with.
      >
      > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lila_%28Hinduism%29
      >
      > I think it might be insightful to learn how the concept of Lila first
      > originated and then evolved.
      >
      > --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "iam999freedom"
      > iam999freedom@ wrote:
      > >
      > > Hi Etznab, You wrote, "What would creation be for a creator if the
      > creator did not know the effect of a creation?"
      > >
      > > In a previous post you wrote, "Here's another thought. Maybe there
      > is no distinction between God and Soul. That there are no Souls and no
      > Gods. And that everything that exists, all individuals, are inherently
      > nothing but the same ONE thing which, for some, is something they
      > sacrifice by living under the illusion of being something less. In this
      > case it is no less than "God" responsible for all good things and all
      > evil things as a matter of individual choice."
      > >
      > > In a previous post I wrote to yours above, "If so, how is life
      > enhanced or evolved by playing this game of "hide and go
      > seek"?ie.,individualizing in the physical form while beyond space and
      > time being One(God).
      > >
      > > Perhaps the One takes on the illusion of being something less in
      > order to experience life to enhance it. We make choices to eventually
      > enhance life through love and compassion. We eventually become
      > identified with our choices so that we become love and are able to be
      > it and express it not only in this life but much more fully in the
      > "higher worlds" where there is no space and time and body limitations.
      > >
      > > I should mention that there are many things in the book not
      > mentioned in my e-mail due to trying to keep things brief. Also as the
      > author states, the worlds he experienced were expanding and were only
      > a glimpse of the Core.
      > >
      > > Sorry for the long post. Also, by love I also mean beauty, joy,
      > compassion, science, sports etc, etc, being infused by love.
      > >
      > > I AM
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, etznab@ wrote:
      > > >
      > > > About the quote from the book, the word that came to me was
      > karma ...
      > > > in the sense of cause and effect. I am not saying that I
      > necessarily
      > > > believe in all the different religious dogma definitions of
      > karma.
      > > > Rather, I am looking at the word literally and believe that
      > it suggests
      > > > "action" ("kara") and action of a personal nature.
      > > >
      > > > It just seems rudimentary there be a way to learn about
      > action by the
      > > > effect it has. What would creation be for a creator if the
      > creator did
      > > > not know the effect of a creation? And, perhaps, knowing the
      > effect is
      > > > the way that creators learn? A classical example is that baby
      > learns
      > > > about fire by being burned. In that sense karma, or the
      > action of
      > > > touching fire, is instructive.
      > > >
      > > > I often have heard the saying that people are responsible for
      > > > everything that happens to them, good and bad, as if they had
      > something
      > > > to do with it. However, given free will, one person could
      > create
      > > > something bad (nuclear experiments, tests and bombs) that
      > affects
      > > > millions of people, but I do not necessarily believe that the
      > people
      > > > affected are "responsible" as if they created such things.
      > That they
      > > > created nuclear fallout. Believe it or not, I remember even
      > Harold
      > > > Klemp writing something to this effect years ago which, in so
      > many
      > > > words, sounded like a debunking of predestination and the
      > idea that
      > > > people are "responsible" (it is their karma) for everything
      > that
      > > > happens to them. Instead, I got the impression Harold was
      > saying there
      > > > were examples where other people create things that can
      > affect us, and
      > > > that they are things we are not each personally "responsible"
      > for.
      > > >
      > > > What I guess I am saying is that free will allows for
      > individuals to
      > > > make "bad" choices, or choices that affect other people in a
      > "bad" way.
      > > > History is filled with examples.
      > > >
      > > > ***
      > > >
      > > > Now, on the other hand, when Harold Klemp wrote about "free
      > will" and
      > > > genes in the December 2012 Wisdom Note I had to say to
      > myself: "It
      > > > looks to me like Harold has lost it!"
      > > >
      > > > Btw, I read that Wisdom Note just before bed. In the morning
      > when I
      > > > turned on the TV there was a news blurb about conjoined twins
      > that had
      > > > been successfully separated. Then they went on to describe
      > the twins
      > > > and how they were NOT the same and that (in so many words)
      > one had a
      > > > different character than the other.
      > > >
      > > > -----Original Message-----
      > > > From: iam999freedom <iam999freedom@>
      > > > To: EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous
      > > > EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com
      > > > Sent: Sun, Dec 23, 2012 8:50 pm
      > > > Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] A BOOK ABOUT LOVE
      > > >
      > > >  
      > > > I thought I'd share for those who may be interested about a
      > wonderful
      > > > book I've just finished reading. You may have heard about the
      > book
      > > > already as it was written recently in 2012 and received some
      > media
      > > > attention. The name of the book is "Proof of Heaven: A
      > Neurosurgeon's
      > > > Journey into the Afterlife" by Eben Alexander, MD.
      > > >
      > > > What makes his NDE (near death experience) so interesting is
      > that
      > > > before it he was an atheist and also because the validity of
      > his NDE
      > > > cannot be explained by conventional scientific/medical
      > thought. He was
      > > > attacked by e-coli menningitis and lay in a coma for seven
      > days
      > > > completely brain dead in the areas of the brain whereby a NDE
      > and
      > > > consciousness are considered possible. That he completely
      > recovered is
      > > > also considered to be a medical miracle. In the condition he
      > was in
      > > > there is a 90% death rate and even upon survival living in a
      > vegetative
      > > > state is expected.
      > > >
      > > > It's interesting how sometimes life works in synchronicity. I
      > placed a
      > > > hold on this book at the library about 3 months ago and just
      > received
      > > > the book this past Friday. In the wake of the Newtown
      > shootings I was
      > > > so shocked and saddened that the core of my experiences and
      > beliefs
      > > > were being crushed.
      > > >
      > > > Even though I am still deeply pained about what happened I
      > now have a
      > > > refreshed look at Ourselves and God (Whole, Love), evil, free
      > will etc.
      > > > I also feel rejeuvinated about the meaning of my life on
      > earth.
      > > >
      > > > The following is an excerpt from the book that I found richly
      > resonated
      > > > within me:
      > > >
      > > > "there is not one universe but many - in fact more than I
      > could
      > > > conceive - but that love lay at the center of them all. Evil
      > was
      > > > present in all the other universes as well, but only in the
      > tiniest
      > > > trace amounts. Evil was necessary because without it free
      > will was
      > > > impossible, and without free will there could be no growth -
      > no forward
      > > > movement, no chance for us to become what God longed for us
      > to be.
      > > > Horrible and as-powerful as evil somtimes seemed to be in a
      > world like
      > > > ours, in the larger picture love was overwhelmingly dominant,
      > and it
      > > > would ultimatlely be triumphant."
      > > >
      > > > The book has many vivid descriptions of the other worlds,
      > scientific
      > > > debate and spiritual discussion, and is written in both a
      > simple and
      > > > explicit fascinating way that evoked love and compassion.
      > > >
      > > > Perhaps as importantly it emphasises that such worlds/states
      > can be
      > > > experienced with persistence meditative/comptemplative effort.
      > > >
      > > > I Am
      > > >
      > >
      >
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