6550Re: A BOOK ABOUT LOVE
- Dec 24, 2012I don't know what HK said about "free will" and genes as I left Eckankar years ago and don't have a liftetime membership. Maybe something original? If you could send a summary about it to ESA it would be appreciated as then I could tie it into what you said about the conjoined twins.
In your post (below) I don't think I understand the significance of what you are expressing. Could you explain?
--- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, etznab@... wrote:
> About the quote from the book, the word that came to me was karma ...
> in the sense of cause and effect. I am not saying that I necessarily
> believe in all the different religious dogma definitions of karma.
> Rather, I am looking at the word literally and believe that it suggests
> "action" ("kara") and action of a personal nature.
> It just seems rudimentary there be a way to learn about action by the
> effect it has. What would creation be for a creator if the creator did
> not know the effect of a creation? And, perhaps, knowing the effect is
> the way that creators learn? A classical example is that baby learns
> about fire by being burned. In that sense karma, or the action of
> touching fire, is instructive.
> I often have heard the saying that people are responsible for
> everything that happens to them, good and bad, as if they had something
> to do with it. However, given free will, one person could create
> something bad (nuclear experiments, tests and bombs) that affects
> millions of people, but I do not necessarily believe that the people
> affected are "responsible" as if they created such things. That they
> created nuclear fallout. Believe it or not, I remember even Harold
> Klemp writing something to this effect years ago which, in so many
> words, sounded like a debunking of predestination and the idea that
> people are "responsible" (it is their karma) for everything that
> happens to them. Instead, I got the impression Harold was saying there
> were examples where other people create things that can affect us, and
> that they are things we are not each personally "responsible" for.
> What I guess I am saying is that free will allows for individuals to
> make "bad" choices, or choices that affect other people in a "bad" way.
> History is filled with examples.
> Now, on the other hand, when Harold Klemp wrote about "free will" and
> genes in the December 2012 Wisdom Note I had to say to myself: "It
> looks to me like Harold has lost it!"
> Btw, I read that Wisdom Note just before bed. In the morning when I
> turned on the TV there was a news blurb about conjoined twins that had
> been successfully separated. Then they went on to describe the twins
> and how they were NOT the same and that (in so many words) one had a
> different character than the other.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: iam999freedom <iam999freedom@...>
> To: EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous
> Sent: Sun, Dec 23, 2012 8:50 pm
> Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] A BOOK ABOUT LOVE
> I thought I'd share for those who may be interested about a wonderful
> book I've just finished reading. You may have heard about the book
> already as it was written recently in 2012 and received some media
> attention. The name of the book is "Proof of Heaven: A Neurosurgeon's
> Journey into the Afterlife" by Eben Alexander, MD.
> What makes his NDE (near death experience) so interesting is that
> before it he was an atheist and also because the validity of his NDE
> cannot be explained by conventional scientific/medical thought. He was
> attacked by e-coli menningitis and lay in a coma for seven days
> completely brain dead in the areas of the brain whereby a NDE and
> consciousness are considered possible. That he completely recovered is
> also considered to be a medical miracle. In the condition he was in
> there is a 90% death rate and even upon survival living in a vegetative
> state is expected.
> It's interesting how sometimes life works in synchronicity. I placed a
> hold on this book at the library about 3 months ago and just received
> the book this past Friday. In the wake of the Newtown shootings I was
> so shocked and saddened that the core of my experiences and beliefs
> were being crushed.
> Even though I am still deeply pained about what happened I now have a
> refreshed look at Ourselves and God (Whole, Love), evil, free will etc.
> I also feel rejeuvinated about the meaning of my life on earth.
> The following is an excerpt from the book that I found richly resonated
> within me:
> "there is not one universe but many - in fact more than I could
> conceive - but that love lay at the center of them all. Evil was
> present in all the other universes as well, but only in the tiniest
> trace amounts. Evil was necessary because without it free will was
> impossible, and without free will there could be no growth - no forward
> movement, no chance for us to become what God longed for us to be.
> Horrible and as-powerful as evil somtimes seemed to be in a world like
> ours, in the larger picture love was overwhelmingly dominant, and it
> would ultimatlely be triumphant."
> The book has many vivid descriptions of the other worlds, scientific
> debate and spiritual discussion, and is written in both a simple and
> explicit fascinating way that evoked love and compassion.
> Perhaps as importantly it emphasises that such worlds/states can be
> experienced with persistence meditative/comptemplative effort.
> I Am
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