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6549Re: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] A BOOK ABOUT LOVE

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  • etznab@aol.com
    Dec 24, 2012
      About the quote from the book, the word that came to me was karma ...
      in the sense of cause and effect. I am not saying that I necessarily
      believe in all the different religious dogma definitions of karma.
      Rather, I am looking at the word literally and believe that it suggests
      "action" ("kara") and action of a personal nature.

      It just seems rudimentary there be a way to learn about action by the
      effect it has. What would creation be for a creator if the creator did
      not know the effect of a creation? And, perhaps, knowing the effect is
      the way that creators learn? A classical example is that baby learns
      about fire by being burned. In that sense karma, or the action of
      touching fire, is instructive.

      I often have heard the saying that people are responsible for
      everything that happens to them, good and bad, as if they had something
      to do with it. However, given free will, one person could create
      something bad (nuclear experiments, tests and bombs) that affects
      millions of people, but I do not necessarily believe that the people
      affected are "responsible" as if they created such things. That they
      created nuclear fallout. Believe it or not, I remember even Harold
      Klemp writing something to this effect years ago which, in so many
      words, sounded like a debunking of predestination and the idea that
      people are "responsible" (it is their karma) for everything that
      happens to them. Instead, I got the impression Harold was saying there
      were examples where other people create things that can affect us, and
      that they are things we are not each personally "responsible" for.

      What I guess I am saying is that free will allows for individuals to
      make "bad" choices, or choices that affect other people in a "bad" way.
      History is filled with examples.


      Now, on the other hand, when Harold Klemp wrote about "free will" and
      genes in the December 2012 Wisdom Note I had to say to myself: "It
      looks to me like Harold has lost it!"

      Btw, I read that Wisdom Note just before bed. In the morning when I
      turned on the TV there was a news blurb about conjoined twins that had
      been successfully separated. Then they went on to describe the twins
      and how they were NOT the same and that (in so many words) one had a
      different character than the other.

      -----Original Message-----
      From: iam999freedom <iam999freedom@...>
      To: EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous
      Sent: Sun, Dec 23, 2012 8:50 pm
      Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] A BOOK ABOUT LOVE

      I thought I'd share for those who may be interested about a wonderful
      book I've just finished reading. You may have heard about the book
      already as it was written recently in 2012 and received some media
      attention. The name of the book is "Proof of Heaven: A Neurosurgeon's
      Journey into the Afterlife" by Eben Alexander, MD.

      What makes his NDE (near death experience) so interesting is that
      before it he was an atheist and also because the validity of his NDE
      cannot be explained by conventional scientific/medical thought. He was
      attacked by e-coli menningitis and lay in a coma for seven days
      completely brain dead in the areas of the brain whereby a NDE and
      consciousness are considered possible. That he completely recovered is
      also considered to be a medical miracle. In the condition he was in
      there is a 90% death rate and even upon survival living in a vegetative
      state is expected.

      It's interesting how sometimes life works in synchronicity. I placed a
      hold on this book at the library about 3 months ago and just received
      the book this past Friday. In the wake of the Newtown shootings I was
      so shocked and saddened that the core of my experiences and beliefs
      were being crushed.

      Even though I am still deeply pained about what happened I now have a
      refreshed look at Ourselves and God (Whole, Love), evil, free will etc.
      I also feel rejeuvinated about the meaning of my life on earth.

      The following is an excerpt from the book that I found richly resonated
      within me:

      "there is not one universe but many - in fact more than I could
      conceive - but that love lay at the center of them all. Evil was
      present in all the other universes as well, but only in the tiniest
      trace amounts. Evil was necessary because without it free will was
      impossible, and without free will there could be no growth - no forward
      movement, no chance for us to become what God longed for us to be.
      Horrible and as-powerful as evil somtimes seemed to be in a world like
      ours, in the larger picture love was overwhelmingly dominant, and it
      would ultimatlely be triumphant."

      The book has many vivid descriptions of the other worlds, scientific
      debate and spiritual discussion, and is written in both a simple and
      explicit fascinating way that evoked love and compassion.

      Perhaps as importantly it emphasises that such worlds/states can be
      experienced with persistence meditative/comptemplative effort.

      I Am
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