6529Re: Religion, Belief, God and Such
- Dec 17, 2012Hi Prometheus, Thanks for your insights/comments about this subject.
A few weeks or so ago somebody (can't remember who, I think it may have been Post Eck-Con) posted on this site that he/she doesn't feel threatened anymore about admitting that God, Spirit, etc is unknown. That essentially saying that we don't know is not at all to be seen as ignorant or negative but rather as truthfull.
I had this same insight as a kid but over the years more or less allowed myself to be brainwashed by others who claimed to have "all the answers". Not that I totally believed all of their claims but that I allowed some of what they said to influence my thinking. ie., Eckankar.
Now I'm back to saying that I don't know and that's okay. Thanks again.
--- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973" wrote:
The truth is we don't
know what the Truth
That's why religions
have created their
version of lies using
highly edited stories.
At first it was based
upon a pre-science
explanation of the
cosmos using myth
and superstition, yet,
is still being used
today as though it's
still valid. Even Eckankar
has a Garden of Eden
myth with an Adom
and Ede (see Polarians).
Whatever the Truth
is it's subjective and
can be experienced
(somewhat) only via
what seems to be the
No one really knows
for certain and that's
why there are so
many religions and
so many con men.
Basically, God, Spirit,
Angels, etc. is still
will be capable of
learning more as
the mind evolves.
Maybe we, via our
overall actions, are
heading toward that
evolution where we
will naturally become
spite of ourselves.
Here's an other thought. Maybe there is no distinction between God and
Soul. That there are no Souls and no Gods. And that everything that
exists, all individuals, are inherently nothing but the same ONE thing
which, for some, is something they sacrifice by living under the
illusion of being something less. In this case it is no less than "God"
responsible for all good things and all evil things as a matter of
Is it really beyond the ONE existent reality to "limit itself"? Nature
would seem to indicate otherwise.
Yes this sounds like far out talk, but that is only the result of
looking at it a particular way. What I am saying is that God can limit
itself and not limit itself at the same time, because God - the true
realization of it - exists as part of a realm devoid of time as we know
Take human thoughts as an example of what I'm trying to get at. People
can imagine limitation and even imagine being killed and being reborn.
But when those are only thoughts it doesn't change the constitution and
the makeup of the person having those thoughts. Like, I could imagine
myself as an ant but that would only be an imagination and would not
change the fact that I am human just having a thought of being an ant.
So what is to say that God can't also imagine, or think, and in no way
is God, or the ONE, changed by having thoughts.
And then again, what is to say that people (in the greater scheme) are
not really God identifying with creation to such an extent as to
identify with the creation as opposed to the creator? After
identification with creation is severed upon physical death, perhaps
the realization of God increases and there might be something to the
belief in various inner bodies and inner planes. If the individual
believes and identifies with the creations there, as here.
Sent: Mon, Dec 17, 2012 7:26 pm
Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Re: It's So Sad About the
Newtown, CT. Shootings
Hi, there is an issue that keeps cropping up and troubles me when I
think of the Newton shootings and all the other tragedies in this world.
When God,(if there is such a being) created this world, It obviously
knew of the negative choices that people would make like the Newtown
shootings, murder, rape, incest, child prostitution, the list goes on
and on. Human free choice and perhaps subsequent karma has been used to
explain away God's responsibilty for these hideous events.
However, if the director of a play (God) creates characters in the play
(humans) that It knows will make negative choices (because that's one
of the main ways a human learns) does that not make God at least
indirectly responsible for these tragedies? Just a thought that leads
me to thinks:
1. Maybe God is not as Loving as we are lead to believe.
2. I have trouble believing in or wanting to follow such a Being.
Any thoughts from others?
--- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, Janice Pfeiffer
Well I guess I can say one positive thing and I would think
religious leaders would focus on that angle.
There were teachers and school officials who died shielding
children from the gunman and some even met him face to face unarmed
trying to deter him from killing those children.
To me that is supreme love.ÃÂ They put their own safety aside to
save the lives of the more frail little children.ÃÂ No one could
demonstrate more love than they in those terrifying conditions.ÃÂ
Bless all those who has to face this tragedy and may they all one
day find peace concerning it
--- On Mon, 12/17/12, prometheus_973 prometheus_973@
From: prometheus_973 prometheus_973@
Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] It's So Sad About the
Newtown, CT. Shootings
Date: Monday, December 17, 2012, 1:54 AM
I've been watching the
TV coverage of this tragedy
for a few days now. It
makes one wonder how
a mentally deranged
young man can do such
evil and to such innocent
However, I found the
religious take on all
of it to be quite strange.
Some of the comments
in the prayers of the
ministers were odd.
One cleric said that
it happened in order
to have people to
question life and to
be able to go through
their own transformation.
Thus, it's a test!
One guy mentioned that
the children would not
have to experience sin.
"After passion comes
I'm not sure why people
were praying to God and
talking to or beseeching
God when he didn't offer
up any protection to these
innocent children. But,
are innocent children in
other countries protected
from harm? It's like how
Klemp protects his eckists.
The Governor of CT. sounded
like Peter Sellers in "Being There"
when talking about after Winter
there will be Spring and growth.
There is belief that a grander
plan is afoot and that it won't
be revealed until you can no
longer speak and share and
this gives those left hope that
the promises will be fulfilled.
I'm thinking that Eckists
are probably sad, too, but
also think that they see it
as karma being karma and
that there is no death.
"What is seen is temporary
but what is unseen is eternal."
Do clerics merely repeat what
we already know or is it merely
a pep talk while reminding
us of what we are supposed
to believe? Or, do they see
themselves as the experts
who have memorized scripture,
dress up in special garments,
while we regular people are
the ignorant sheep meant to
It is interesting to see a
commonality of sorts, but
individual choice seems to
take precedence as it always
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