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6501Re: Klemp Chastises H.I.s About "Guidelines"

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  • prometheus_973
    Dec 13, 2012
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      Hello Russ and All,
      I remember when I
      was heavily involved
      and very close to the
      old RESA. EK state and
      local center business,
      dead lines for events
      and PR, HK's expectations
      of following procedures
      and the complex Guidelines
      stressed all of us out.
      Just getting the newsletter
      out on time was a pain
      in the ass.

      Then, there were the
      job descriptions for
      coordinator and director
      positions. When asking
      people to volunteer for
      these positions they had
      no idea of what was really
      expected of them and
      of what they were getting
      into until we got them
      their job description folder.
      Some EKists couldn't handle
      the duties and the oversight.

      I changed and was too
      serious when at the EK
      center or in business
      meetings. But, I was just
      following the orders and
      expectations and the lead
      of the (fascist) RESA who
      was following the fascist
      Leader (HK).

      H.I.s can become very
      consumed when caught
      up in and involved with
      the internal workings
      of the org. Plus, Klemp
      has never been empathetic
      and is results oriented,
      so this is why many of
      his RESAs are chosen.
      They are either very hands-
      on and controlling, or
      tend to delegate responsibility
      to others who are more
      heavy-handed, mean-
      spirited or ego driven
      and fascist acting.

      In actuality many EKists
      only have Eckankar in
      common with one another.
      Some of these people
      are okay and were fun
      to hang out with at times,
      but this wasn't true with
      too many on a personal
      level. There were personality
      conflicts or quirks that
      were just too weird.

      That reminds me of this
      Holiday Season. Many
      EKists will have Christmas
      trees and will decorate
      with lights and will celebrate
      the holidays and the New
      Year just like normal people.

      But ECKists don't have
      that. Their New Year is
      Oct. 22nd which was
      Twitchell's B-Day. So,
      when you think of it
      Oct. 22nd was not just
      the EK New Year but was
      like their Christmas too!

      It's no wonder EKists seem
      to be schizophrenic when
      it comes to the holidays.
      Most ECKists don't realize
      that Oct. 22nd was created
      as the date for the handing
      of the Rod of ECK Power
      (the EK New Year) because
      it was Twitchell's B-Day!
      This is, also, why Klemp
      doesn't reveal his birth
      month and day since he,
      the (supposed) Mahanta,
      didn't choose to be born
      on Oct. 22nd as well.


      Russ Rodnick wrote:
      I was in three states and two of three state spiritual services directors were fascist about the guidelines. One of them inherited a sum of money that set him up in business and I always thought his ability to donate 5 figures was what made him so popular in the eck community.

      There ws such little love and tolerance toward one another and a strong sense of self importance toward what we were doing. The face of love and smiling was present, but not a real connection, which in the end is why I left, among other things.


      prometheus wrote:
      Hello Non eckchains and All,
      What has me ROFLMAO is
      that Klemp has enough of
      a problem that he used it
      in the ASK The MASTER
      section of the H.I. Letter!
      And, it was the only question!
      They had, supposedly, an
      H.I. write-in and point out
      the problem. No name given.

      I remember when I had
      to deal with some older
      H.I.s (former RESAs) in
      coordinator and director
      positions and it was
      impossible to get this
      one to follow the Guidelines
      on EK Worship Services
      (EWS). Many long-time
      H.I.s really resist H.K.'s
      Guidelines and my
      RESA turned a blind-
      eye to it all. We had
      so many former RESAs
      in volunteer positions
      that it was impossible
      to get them on the
      same page and to follow
      procedures. I think
      that some were just
      burned out and tired
      of Klemp's B.S. but
      didn't want to leave.
      Maybe they had too
      many friendships to
      lose. Plus, let's face
      it. A lot of these people
      are losers in the real
      world but are big shots
      in Eckankar. Those
      Higher Initiations are
      a big deal to the ego!


      "Non" eckchains wrote:
      It is so really boring when you look at it, the one man show with his clones. I
      don't really get why the H.I.'s don't just implode. The klempster has nothing to
      offer. Then again, true believers are just blobs of beliefs that become brittle
      over time, concentrated self-delusion, and yes a lot of fear and insecurity and
      even pent up rage. H.I. stands for Higher Idiot. :)

      Non ;)

      prometheus wrote:
      > Hello All,
      > In the Dec. 2012 H.I.
      > Letter I've read that
      > Klemp still needs to
      > update his Guidelines
      > for the H.I.s in the
      > field and chastise
      > those who are slow
      > to get with the program.
      > Many long-time H.I.s
      > want the freedom
      > of Soul to be more
      > individualistic,
      > spontaneous, and
      > creative by thinking
      > they (Soul) can operate
      > outside-of-the-box,
      > thus, being channels
      > for the ECK. Klemp
      > has previously stated
      > that he's imperfect,
      > but that's not the case
      > with the ECK, correct?
      > Why, then, shouldn't
      > their current (Present)
      > Inner EK Guidance be
      > followed versus that
      > of outer set-in-stone
      > ESC Guidelines printed
      > in the Past and approved
      > by a committee of imperfect
      > people on a plane ruled
      > by the KAL?
      > H.I.s still haven't learned
      > that freedom of expression
      > doesn't work in Klemp's
      > version of ECKankar.
      > It's a hierarchy where
      > everything is spelled
      > out and controlled
      > by him and his secret
      > RESA police, plus, all
      > field work must be
      > approved via the
      > current Guidelines.
      > Many inexperienced
      > EKists like the idea of
      > being told how to do
      > this or that and what
      > approved books to use
      > and what to say and
      > other details to make
      > the promotion of
      > Eckankar easier.
      > But the real point the
      > ESC (Klemp) is making
      > is to have EK PR more
      > consistent and cookie
      > cutter looking/sounding
      > for the public.
      > Plus, the EK Guidelines
      > are like following a
      > recipe set-in-stone
      > that disregards individual
      > or regional tastes and
      > disallows any additions
      > or omissions of other
      > ingredients, methods,
      > and/or spices.
      > Klemp's foretold admonishments
      > are about H.I.s resisting
      > change. He says they "rock
      > the boat" out of "fear" and
      > that "it's all about fear."
      > Also, "they huddle in packs"
      > and "reinforce in each other
      > a group's opposition to
      > anything new." Strange
      > that Klemp's H.I.s are
      > subject to fear since he's
      > supposed to protect them!
      > This is how the KAL works.
      > Klemp is his agent.
      > However, the real 'change'
      > that H.I.s resist is in rejecting
      > Klemp's nonsense and
      > heavy handed control tactics.
      > Many H.I.s, however, chose
      > the Freedom of Soul versus
      > being bound to dogma.
      > HK side-steps delivering
      > on his promises of protection
      > and never has anything
      > profound to share. And,
      > where are those Higher
      > Initiations that are, supposedly,
      > yardsticks in measuring
      > Consciousness and Spiritual
      > Growth? Klemp is playing
      > the long-con and is, thus,
      > stingy and self-serving.
      > Harold goes on to say that
      > these H.I.s are "obstructions
      > on the path to God instead
      > of being stepping stones."
      > Apparently, being creative
      > and spontaneous and
      > following "Inner Nudges"
      > and/or "Signs" are not
      > permitted if it conflicts
      > with the LEM's outer,
      > Physical (1st) Plane, Guidelines!
      > The LEM states that, "We
      > are here to learn." However,
      > what is it that Klemp "learns"
      > from others since he never
      > listens? He's the Top goD
      > and doesn't partake in
      > two-way dialogues with
      > those under his authority.
      > Klemp sounds quite intolerant
      > and unloving as he continues
      > to chastise his H.I.s. "They
      > believe that if they sit still
      > and breathe only enough to
      > sustain life that they may
      > well dodge the lightning
      > strikes of irksome change."
      > Is that a threat? HK sounds
      > like KAL! However, by doing
      > Klemp's bidding do ECKists
      > really avoid "lightning strikes?"
      > Don't EKists still die of all
      > sorts of illnesses and situations
      > that could have be averted
      > if they had gotten proper
      > and immediate care? Sure!
      > Therefore, Klemp can't protect
      > ECKists and his veiled threats
      > are meaningless... unless
      > you've given this Black
      > Magician power over you!
      > But, it seems that HK
      > has something else stuck
      > in his craw. It seems to
      > me that Klemp doesn't
      > like his 7ths just sitting
      > still and Contemplating
      > or HUing, and enjoying
      > life. But why shouldn't
      > they take it easy after
      > 40 years of doing PR
      > work for Eckankar!
      > So, what does Klemp
      > the All compassionate,
      > loving, positive, and
      > empathetic icon of EK
      > conclude?
      > "An H.I. who blatantly
      > refuses to adhere to
      > the ECK Guidelines
      > needs to be addressed
      > on the issues." Hmmmm.
      > I wonder what that
      > really means? Well,
      > unless you're already
      > a 7th you can kiss that
      > next initiation good-bye
      > for like 10-20 years!
      > Klemp continues to say,
      > "These are big stakes!
      > Continued refusal means
      > it's time for a replacement
      > to step in. A change is
      > due. Change. isn't it
      > funny how we have come
      > full circle?" No! It's not
      > really funny. Klemp
      > abuses the concept
      > of "change" and makes
      > it into a misnomer.
      > What "changes" are there
      > in Eckankar? The same
      > old things are merely
      > revisited, updated, dusted
      > off and made to seem
      > "new." It's all a facade,
      > smoke and mirrors, and
      > a game of pretend by
      > creating brightly colored
      > straws to grab at and
      > cling to when drowning.
      > Too bad that EKists are
      > so deluded and needy
      > and aren't able to read
      > between the lines and
      > see the real truth behind
      > Klemp's words and methods.
      > Prometheus
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