6484Re: Truth vs. Fiction of the Sound Current?
- Dec 10, 2012Hello Etznab and All,
Yes, it makes me suspicious
of any religious dogma that
degrades women. Just how
"spiritual" and advanced
can it really be? It's Not!
But, since the Boy's Clubs
of the World seem to run
things it's no wonder this
anti-female crap is written
in all religious dogma.
Sant Mat, which Twitchell
"borrowed from" was no
more advanced than all
other "spiritual" sources
that Twitchell used to
"Compile" his male chauvinist
dogma. Those male/female
atoms and positive/negative
batteries where the LEM
has to be a male because
women can't handle the
Rod of Power is pure fiction.
This is such a stupid ekplanation
that you have to be brain-
washed to believe it. BTW-
I wonder what the "Rod"
Anyway, this is one more
topic of PT's, and of Klemp's,
that doesn't get closer
scrutiny nor is it ever discussed
using logic, common sense,
or intellect. Actually, it's
never discussed because
there's no point right or
wrong, the case is closed!
Remember, HK has said,
"Eckankar is a hierarchy
and not a Democracy." But,
isn't our government both
a hierarchy and a democracy?
Since Klemp claims to be
imperfect and points out
that Twitchell exaggerated
shouldn't PT's Male requirement
for the LEM position be revisited,
investigated, and explained?
Are there any EKists who
are doctors, engineers or
scientists? I'd like them to
explain how the neg/pos
male/female battery thing
works with the physical body
and why one needs to be
a male in order to be the
LEM in the Lower Planes,
especially, here on earth!
I find it suspect whenever the female is downgraded in comparison with
the male. In The Tiger's Fang (according to Lord Alakh Lok?):
"There is more to this law than just the issues which have been given
here. No Soul can enter into the worlds above the plane of Sat Lok
without being complete within itself - without having both completed
the cycle of balance and entering into the oneness with its other self,
and both gaining the traits of the other .... and in the end, as it is
said, becoming the male or original Soul as God first put on earth.
This Soul had the qualities which God wanted, but could not be
manifested unless Soul was split into two particular particles, the
negative and the positive, for both to develop." (pp. 85-86)
As it is said? Lord Alakh Lok says "as it is said"?
I wonder, Did Paul Twitchell come up with this stuff from Radhasoami
"The higher centres in a female form are less capable of being
developed than in a male form. All the centres of Pind, Brahmand and
Dayal Desh do exist in a woman as they do in man. But the centres
higher than Sunn or Daswan Dwar cannot ordinarily be awakened in a
woman. Hence, the highest point to which the spirit or Surat in a
female can rise, is the Daswan Dwar. For higher ascension, the same
Surat or spirit will have to take birth as a man, and perform the
spiritual exercises for awakening higher centres. [... .]"
Both versions on the subject are highly suspect, IMO. I think people
probably butchered an older form of a story that subsequently took on
I think there are two more sections about Soul Mates that I came across
recently, both from Dialogues With The Master, at least one version of
which appears to be from appropriated text.
From: harrisonferrel <harrisonferrel@...>
I agree. But I also think that most New Age thinking is absurd because
it is baseless and without evidence. The soul concept cannot be proven,
let alone the soulmate idea.
--- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, Janice Pfeiffer
>no matter where it comes from.ÃÂ I don't believe any of us are half of
> I can't view the concept of a soulmate being two parts of a whole
a whole.ÃÂ Maybe Paul needed that concept as a reason for why he fell
>looks to me more like he plagiarized, or paraphrased about it (adding
> I don't believe Paul Twitchell reinvented the Soul Mates thing. It
his own spin as well, under the guise of Eck Masters, etc.). But hey,
Eckankar is not a cult and it's against spiritual law to push one's
beliefs on another :) If you don't believe me just read the FAQ section
on Eckankar's web site. Look for the question: Is Eckankar a cult?
>Master (1970), called: THE LORD SOHANG SPEAKS.
> There is a chapter in Paul Twitchell's book, Dialogues With The
>1913?) - and compare the text with what Lord Sohang reportedly spoke to
> Go to Ali Nomad's book - Cosmic Consciousness (first published in
Paul Twitchell in Dialogues With The Master.
>in Paul Twitche;ll's earlier books (I thought it was TTF, but here is
> Remember that controversial subject of Soul Mates which appeared
something in DWTM)?
>"other half," with which it unites on the spiritual plane, when the
> Ali Nomad:
> Each and every SOUL, therefore, has its spiritual counterpart--its
time comes for attainment of immortality.
>spiritual counterpart - its other half with which it unites on the
> Lord Sohang:
> "Each and every Soul, therefore, in the lower worlds has its
spiritual plane, when the time comes for the attainment of the highest
goal of the world of Brahm and that counterpart is the ECK Spirit."
(DWTM p. 176)
>the information can vary. It can even appear contradictory. Example:
> Now of course it depends on who Paul Twitchell is plagiarizing, as
>pure love, the physical union cannot bring about peace and happiness,
> [...] But unless the union has already been made in heaven through
for like all true sacraments it must be entered into and registered
upon all planes. (p. 220)
> The Law of Divine Love will bring to each Soul its true marriage,a union in perfect purity on all planes. This according to the one
life-theory is of course impossible for all; but since reincarnation is
a fact, the Soul, through repeated experiences, learns to follow its
Divine Guidance, hence will ultimately find its true mate. But they can
be spiritually as well as physically married to their mates only when
the old accounts of both have been balanced and the old complications
set up through the mistakes of the past have been worked out. [... .].
> The Voice Of Isis And Realms Of The Living Dead, by Harriett
>union has been made on the higher planes through pure thought, the
> Rebazar Tarzs in DWTM:
> "Now for the part of union between man and woman. Unless this
physical union cannot bring about peace and happiness, for like all
true sacraments it must be entered into and registered upon all planes.
> "The law of divine love will bring to each Soul Its true marriageand union in perfect purity on all planes. This true marriage is that
of Soul with the ECK - the polarization of each Soul - not two Souls or
man and woman coming together. And, as it is, each Soul will be guided
through repeated experience by divine guidance until It finds this true
love, the love of ECK through the Mahanta. You can be spiritually as
well as physically married to a mate only when the old accounts of both
have been balanced, and old complications set up through mistakes of
the past have been worked out. (p. 115)
>since the ECK (all caps) trademark didn't come about until 1968 and the
> (My guess is that someone revised the original DWTM manuscript
Mahanta term didn't come into vogue until 1969; whereas the DWTM
manuscript was reportedly written in 1956!)
>Eck-Vidya?) some Soul Mates controversy in Eckankar history where I
> Now I remember (I think it was in The Tiger's Fang, Or was it The
believe Harold Klemp and Eckankar had to "correct" what Paul Twitchell
earlier wrote. It was no longer about two people coming together, but a
person finding (in so many words) their own "higher self".
>all of Paul's books, so don't just go on what I quoted from DWTM.
> I haven't finished checking all the references to Soul Mates in
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