6482Re: An article that mentions klemp
- Dec 10, 2012Hello Harrison and All,
Most Eck H.I.s are as
two-faced as Klemp.
One face is shown when
in public and the other
face is shown when
doing EK business.
I've angered other
H.I.s so much (regarding
EK business) that
they've hung up on
me! One was a RESA!
I was the one frustrated
with getting people
(H.I.s) attuned to the
programs or positions
they had signed up
for. The business side
of Eckankar was very
stressful, not fun, and
was very unrewarding.
So, being nice, for
many H.I.s, is all an
act. And most times
the business side of
Eckankar brings it out.
Their angry and negative
tendencies are merely
denied, hidden, and
swept under the rug
"as if" it doesn't exist.
Just put on a happy face!
However, the biggest
EK excuse is that the
anger was "mocked up"
in order to express
a point or to better
someone on a lower
level of consciousness.
I'm sure you wouldn't
be surprised to know
how often this excuse
Twitchell was good
at making up excuses
when questioned about
contradictions of non-
spiritual behaviour of
his H.I.s such as anger.
But, Twitchell was an
expert liar, manipulator,
and conman. He had
to cover-up his own
hypocrisy (as does Klemp)
and that of his long-time
followers with convincing
merely pretend, dream,
deny the truth, and play
the game of follow-the-
Your question: "My only question for you is why is the subject of anger so
disturbing for you? Are you uncomfortable with what you are feeling? Can you
clarify for yourself why you are angry or what the concept of anger means to
ANSWER: Through Eckankar I've met a number of people who talked about anger
being an evil of sorts. This is a common thread among cults to call someone
angry. The idea is basically to keep people from getting angry at the nonsense
you're peddling. Klemp and Twitchell talked about the evils of anger. The
problem of course is that anger is a tool that any normal mind has; it motivates
people to stand up for themselves and to oppose groups like eckankar that are
trying to get away with injuring people.
>courage, but not anger. But I would agree that fear is a device used by klemp
> I would have to say that the opposite of fear is a lack of concern or even
just as it is used by all religions to keep people in line and from challenging
>and a current family member who is still in the cult, that anger is a weakness.
> Anger isn't a bad thing and I remember hearing from eckists, including klemp
Of course it makes sense that they would say this because it is our innate
feeling of anger that drives us to resist the bullshit of the cult and its
illogical, improbable and absurd notions.
>Janice Pfeiffer wrote:
> >would feel anger or at least not toward him or eckankar because after all how
> > Thanks for the article. The truth is Klemp can't conceive that any eckist
could they, since eckankar and the mahanta is the answer for everything in their
lives. In eckankar anger is very wrong and is believed to show a lack of
adjustment to the concepts of eckankar. It means you are not properly brain
washed. While in, I think I felt more bewildered than angry.
> >stupor are angry about the lies and deceit because we are now considered
> > Klemp doesn't care that all of us who woke up from our eckankar induced
unworthy misfits anyway. If I am remembering right, supposedly, according to
eckankar, we are all damned for simply walking away and will have to
re-ingratiate ourselves at some point with our present lem. Perish the
> >operation of the org. Anger is the opposite of fear. So therefore, angry
> > Fear is what eckankar uses to keep people from guestioning the lem or the
eckist would only be those who are ready to get out of eckankar. Of course
that is undesirable in an eckist and one of the main reasons you aren't
allowed to ask questions about why Paul lied and why they continue to lie to get
new people in. I believe when you learn the truth about how eckankar was
founded and how it operates, you come to a changing point. You either become
self delusional to stay in or the lies drive you away.
> >ones who are offended by the lies as misfits. The whole concept is insane in
> > Instead of eckankar admitting that the lies are a problem, they label the
itself for an org that talks so much about spiritual truth. How can you
justify obviously lies and call it spiritual truth? That is what they do and
if you don't buy it, you are of no use to them. You are not willing to deceive
yourself for the sake of eckankar.
> >you? Are you uncomfortable with what you are feeling? Can you clarify for
> > My only question for you is why is the subject of anger so disturbing for
yourself why you are angry or what the concept of anger means to you?
> >I think that is the key to handling it well. Anger is something normal that we
> > The article speaks of how anger can be a good catalyst for needed change.
all feel. To say different would be a lie. I think when anger is acute, it
shows a need to change whatever causes it whether it is a change in self or the
external conditions that caused it. I believe that is what prompted most of us
to get out of insane eckankar.
> >it and use it for your own good. You obviously are most intelligent and
> > You are as normal as anyone else with your anger. I hope you can clarify
capable of handling it.
> >beÂ kind to yourself.
> > With much high regards from another feeling eckist. good luck and please
> >harrisonferrel wrote:
> > Here's an article mentioning klemp and the anger nonsense he instills in
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