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6467Re: Truth vs. Fiction of the Sound Current?

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  • prometheus_973
    Dec 8, 2012
      Hello Etznab and All,
      Yes, it does seem that
      Twitchell re-invented
      the Soulmate theory
      with an Eck twist that
      is somewhat ambiguous.

      Eckankar disapproves
      the Soulmate theory
      (per se) and favors the
      Time-Twin theory.

      However, I doubt that
      many EKists can explain
      just how the Time-Twin
      Theory works or how
      it pertains to them. Plus,
      it is still limiting by using
      one pairing of Masculine
      and Feminine parts. I
      misspoke by referring
      to it as Twin-Soul.


      BTW-Why did Twitchell,
      the All Knowing Mahanta,
      refer to this Time-Twin
      explanation as a "theory?"
      Since when is EK Dogma
      a theory for an ECKist
      and not a fact and a true
      belief?


      Below is the ECK
      definition.

      PT's Time-Twin Theory
      states that when Soul
      discovers that It is the
      ECK and, thus, becomes
      the ECK that It has attained
      the symbol of Its Soulmate
      by blending the feminine
      and masculine forces within
      the individual into one,
      and this oneness is Itself.

      However, this EKplanation
      makes one wonder why
      the LEM has to be a male
      since the individual Soul
      becomes the ECK when It
      "blends" both "masculine
      and feminine forces into
      one... Itself."

      Actually, Twitchell's Time-
      Twin Theory resembles the
      Jewish Soulmate Theory
      of finding your other half
      (masculine or feminine)
      in order for Soul to become
      whole with Itself.

      Prometheus

      etznab wrote:
      I don't believe Paul Twitchell reinvented the Soul Mates thing. It looks to me
      more like he plagiarized, or paraphrased about it (adding his own spin as well,
      under the guise of Eck Masters, etc.). But hey, Eckankar is not a cult and it's
      against spiritual law to push one's beliefs on another :) If you don't believe
      me just read the FAQ section on Eckankar's web site. Look for the question: Is
      Eckankar a cult?

      ***

      There is a chapter in Paul Twitchell's book, Dialogues With The Master (1970),
      called: THE LORD SOHANG SPEAKS.

      Go to Ali Nomad's book - Cosmic Consciousness (first published in 1913?) - and
      compare the text with what Lord Sohang reportedly spoke to Paul Twitchell in
      Dialogues With The Master.

      http://www.archive.org/stream/cosmicconsciousn00nomaiala#page/2/mode/2up

      http://www.consciouslivingfoundation.org/ebooks/13/CLF-CosmicConsciousness-AliNo\
      \
      mad.pdf

      ***

      Remember that controversial subject of Soul Mates which appeared in Paul
      Twitchell's earlier books (I thought it was TTF, but here is something in
      DWTM)?

      Ali Nomad:

      Each and every SOUL, therefore, has its spiritual counterpart--its "other half,"
      with which it unites on the spiritual plane, when the time comes for attainment
      of immortality.

      Lord Sohang:

      "Each and every Soul, therefore, in the lower worlds has its spiritual
      counterpart - its other half with which it unites on the spiritual plane, when
      the time comes for the attainment of the highest goal of the world of Brahm and
      that counterpart is the ECK Spirit." (DWTM p. 176)

      https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!searchin/alt.religion.eckanka\
      \
      r/soul$20mates|sort:date/alt.religion.eckankar/9_e16rhw3gA/3VmvQQ811QsJ

      Now of course it depends on who Paul Twitchell is plagiarizing, as the
      information can vary. It can even appear contradictory. Example:

      [...] But unless the union has already been made in heaven through pure love,
      the physical union cannot bring about peace and happiness, for like all true
      sacraments it must be entered into and registered upon all planes. (p. 220)
      The Law of Divine Love will bring to each Soul its true marriage, a union in
      perfect purity on all planes. This according to the one life-theory is of course
      impossible for all; but since reincarnation is a fact, the Soul, through
      repeated experiences, learns to follow its Divine Guidance, hence will
      ultimately find its true mate. But they can be spiritually as well as physically
      married to their mates only when the old accounts of both have been balanced and
      the old complications set up through the mistakes of the past have been worked
      out. [... .]. (p. 221)

      The Voice Of Isis And Realms Of The Living Dead, by Harriett Augusta Curtiss

      http://archive.org/stream/TheVoiceOfIsis2ndEdition/CurtissFhAndHaTheVoiceOfIsis2\
      \
      ndEdition_djvu.txt

      Rebazar Tarzs in DWTM:

      "Now for the part of union between man and woman. Unless this union has been
      made on the higher planes through pure thought, the physical union cannot bring
      about peace and happiness, for like all true sacraments it must be entered into
      and registered upon all planes.

      "The law of divine love will bring to each Soul Its true marriage and union
      in perfect purity on all planes. This true marriage is that of Soul with the ECK
      - the polarization of each Soul - not two Souls or man and woman coming
      together. And, as it is, each Soul will be guided through repeated experience by
      divine guidance until It finds this true love, the love of ECK through the
      Mahanta. You can be spiritually as well as physically married to a mate only
      when the old accounts of both have been balanced, and old complications set up
      through mistakes of the past have been worked out. (p. 115)

      (My guess is that someone revised the original DWTM manuscript since the ECK
      (all caps) trademark didn't come about until 1968 and the Mahanta term didn't
      come into vogue until 1969; whereas the DWTM manuscript was reportedly written
      in 1956!)

      Now I remember (I think it was in The Tiger's Fang, Or was it The Eck-Vidya?)
      some Soul Mates controversy in Eckankar history where I believe Harold Klemp and
      Eckankar had to "correct" what Paul Twitchell earlier wrote. It was no longer
      about two people coming together, but a person finding (in so many words) their
      own "higher self".

      I haven't finished checking all the references to Soul Mates in all of Paul's
      books, so don't just go on what I quoted from DWTM.

      ***

      Btw, my Yahoo has been bouncing since Nov. 28 so I've been out of the loop since
      then and hadn't received any posts via email. Just now are catching up.


      <prometheus wrote:
      >
      > Hello Non eckchains and All,
      > The Soulmate theory
      > phenomena is an interesting
      > spiritual perspective
      > and is, actually, unlimited
      > by conventional New Age
      > thought. Eckankar (PT)
      > reinvented it with a
      > Twin-Soul perspective.
      > This is interesting, but
      > IMO it shouldn't be limited
      > to or by PT's "Twin" Soul
      > view and a single pairing
      > only.
      >
      > Thus, the connection that
      > some/many Souls have with
      > one another (IMO) s/b referred
      > to in the plural. Thus, Soulmates
      > is more than one pairing.
      > Unfortunately, for Eckists,
      > Klemp has them locked into
      > a "Twin" concept when there
      > are Triplets and many more!
      > This phenomena can be
      > a special connection/attraction
      > with lifelong friends, as well,
      > and not always be with sexual
      > partners.
      >
      > As far as Klemp's fraud
      > and his "frownish and fakish"
      > H.I.'s, well, that's to be
      > expected when they emulate
      > HK's own behaviour via clues
      > with the way the EK hierarchy
      > is run or the way in which
      > he speaks/refers to Joan and/
      > or tells his stories.
      >
      > With Klemp there's a lack
      > of forgiveness, compassion,
      > and empathy. These are
      > missing from Klemp's own
      > perspectives in his own life
      > stories.
      >
      > It's easy for him to judge
      > others and point out flaws
      > or to add "insight" and to
      > do EK tweaks on the letters
      > sent to him. And, that's
      > what Klemp does when
      > he "writes" in his hermit
      > batty cave.
      >
      > Thus, many of HK's RESAs
      > emulate his lack of empathy,
      > compassion, and forgiveness.
      > They talk a lot about "love"
      > but when it comes to the
      > business/spiritual side of
      > Eckankar and the "Guidelines,"
      > as set forth by HK via the
      > ESC, there is not much room
      > leftover for the byproducts
      > of love.
      >
      > Look at the way the Higher
      > initiations are handed out.
      > There are always strings
      > attached and it has more
      > to do with "Outer" posturing
      > and faking it with physical
      > requirements. What is said
      > or isn't said to the RESA
      > or done as a volunteer,
      > than with anything else
      > or with one's visible goodness,
      > has more importance in
      > deciding who gets a pink
      > slip. It's not love for God.
      > Long-time Eckists who
      > are loyal and loving and
      > are very nice people are
      > excluded from becoming
      > H.I.s because they haven't
      > jumped through enough
      > physical hoops of training,
      > retraining, volunteering, etc.
      >
      > Or, maybe they didn't seem
      > like a 'take charge" leader
      > or have a college education
      > and/or were high profile
      > professionals. It's amazing
      > how petty RESAs can be,
      > and these people are the
      > "righthand" of Klemp.
      >
      > In truth, many people who
      > left Eckankar did so out of
      > frustration caused via neglect
      > and unloving behavior towards
      > them. Once you've become
      > a member their main goal
      > has been achieved. From
      > there they dangle the carrot
      > for the higher initiations
      > and, now, make it very
      > difficult to achieve the 7th.
      > Eckists need to become
      > ESAs to become RESAs
      > and unless you're already
      > an ESA it's, now, much
      > more difficult to achieve.
      > And, for a 6th ESA to get
      > the 7th they, usually, need
      > to become a RESA.
      >
      > Thus, Klemp slowed-down
      > Initiations in 1985 due to
      > Darwin making 500 new
      > 5ths before leaving office.
      > So, more that 25 years later
      > what is Klemp's excuse for
      > not making more H.I.s and
      > for not expanding the "outer"
      > initiations and their numbers?
      >
      > It's actually a simple/obvious
      > explanation. Klemp is selfish.
      >
      > Klemp's lack of empathy,
      > compassion, forgiveness and
      > real, true love for his fellow
      > eckists, and the trickle-down
      > effect within the EK Hierarchy,
      > is why Eckankar and ECKists
      > are broken and lost. Their
      > delusional faith and fellowship
      > (it's a numbers game) is
      > what they cling to as do
      > all religionists. Yet, as with
      > all religionists, their faith
      > has the only chosen ones
      > who have been gifted with
      > special insight into God
      > (or whatever name they use).
      > EK is simply more of the same
      > but tweaked to fit a special
      > New Age/Metaphysical mindset.
      > It's the Easy Way until those,
      > now, with less than 30 plus
      > years want a 6th or 7th
      > initiation.
      >
      > Prometheus
      >
      >
      > "Non" eckchains wrote:
      > I agree with a lot of what you have said here. I don't quite get the Soulmate
      > though. I have been met with mostly great difficulty in actualizing this, even
      > though it sounds quite nice. I am open to experiencing this, yet I am also
      > naturally intuitive and also he who questions a lot and enjoys experimenting
      and
      > investigating. Most people I meet are into holding tight to their beliefs and
      > don't like being around someone like me, if I am just being myself. For some
      > reason I ruffle feathers so maybe that means I need to stay away from certain
      > Birds. :) I don't know the answer.
      >
      > As far as the sound current. My experience has been dreams of beautiful music
      > sometimes, but also just feeling. Not everyone is musical. The sound current
      and
      > light may actually be too limiting. It is based on our two most used human
      > senses, seeing and hearing. There is so much more richness involved. We are
      > lacking in our sense of smell and there are other senses that other animals
      know
      > and experience that make us look like idiots sometimes. Humans are very
      arrogant
      > because of our superior ability to manipulate our environment, something that
      if
      > unchecked can and does cause great havoc, destruction and killing just to
      kill.
      >
      > Feeling and intuition is very under rated. Feelings allow us to have
      compassion
      > and empathy. That is a vibration I wish there was more of. People don't like
      it,
      > because it also means that we may have to relate to the pain of another, or to
      > our own pain. People are too hardened IMHO. At the same time, bless the ones
      who
      > act out of compassion to advocate and fight those who are indifferent to at
      > least living with some level of a little empathy. I think they have compassion
      > in them, it is just repressed, and imo is always pushing to express. I dare
      say,
      > that even klemp and his HI's are so frownish and fakish, because that is how
      you
      > repress feelings and natural compassion. It is harder for humans, because we
      are
      > more self-aware. Native American life often at least had sacred rituals for
      > killing to eat. We are lost..... Light and sound meditations may just be a
      > distraction and limiting us from our Whole Being. We cannot cut off a part of
      > ourselves and Be our Whole Being, imo.
      >
      > Non ; )
      >
      >
      > <prometheus wrote:
      > >
      > > Hello Tyson, Russ, and All,
      > > I believe that religious myth
      > > was created to explain away
      > > the phenomenal, and that
      > > religion was created in order
      > > to control the masses and,
      > > thus, use this undertaking
      > > for money, power, greed,
      > > status and other self-benefits
      > > for the hierarchies.
      > >
      > > The Blue Light/Blue Star?
      > > The human mind/brain
      > > functions similarly and
      > > when attention is placed
      > > upon subjects this produces
      > > chemical and electrical
      > > reactions. There are even
      > > mixed but similar responses
      > > to unconscious stimuli.
      > > But many people realize
      > > all of this but tend to
      > > forget it when seeking
      > > "spiritual" answers.
      > >
      > > People should not have
      > > faith in the words of
      > > others. People should
      > > No Longer give others
      > > 'the benefit of the doubt.'
      > >
      > > Yes, we can look at what
      > > principles they are sharing
      > > in order to help us to
      > > achieve a greater realization
      > > but we should not limit
      > > ourselves from going
      > > beyond the realizations
      > > and achievements in
      > > higher consciousness
      > > of those we view as
      > > ideals/icons.
      > >
      > > Thus, the concept of
      > > "Master" needs to be
      > > revised and eliminated.
      > >
      > > When the lessons have
      > > been taught, via real
      > > world examples of
      > > living, it then becomes
      > > our responsibility
      > > to demonstrate what
      > > we have learned as
      > > it pertains to our
      > > own unique individual
      > > personality and
      > > circumstances. We
      > > move-on and into
      > > our own unrestricted
      > > conscious awareness.
      > >
      > > IMHO- Jesus, and not
      > > always his apostles,
      > > taught some really
      > > advanced concepts.
      > > Too advanced for
      > > most of us today!
      > >
      > > I'll never forget this
      > > one Fung Fu episode
      > > where Cain ran into
      > > some religious fanatics
      > > who would not defend
      > > themselves and would
      > > turn the other cheek.
      > > Cain showed them that
      > > there was a third response.
      > > Instead of becoming
      > > a victim of violence,
      > > or responding with
      > > violence Cain stopped/
      > > blocked the violence
      > > i.e. punch or object
      > > and redirected its
      > > intended path.
      > >
      > > Anyway, I've heard
      > > sounds when first
      > > starting to mediate
      > > via TM. Everyone
      > > heard these tones.
      > > Generally the mind
      > > blocks out these
      > > background noises
      > > until it quiets down
      > > and empties itself.
      > > Actually, one can
      > > follow these sounds
      > > without placing
      > > too much attention
      > > on them. That's the
      > > trick. One doesn't
      > > place attention or
      > > attachment on any
      > > thought, imaginary
      > > vision or sound no
      > > matter how pleasant.
      > >
      > > Eventually, this will
      > > produce other by-
      > > products of awareness
      > > such as contentment.
      > >
      > > I have to say that one
      > > must discover their
      > > own reality. Don't take
      > > my word for anything.
      > > Divine Awareness is
      > > an individual experience
      > > and not a group path.
      > > I called it "Divine Awareness"
      > > in oder to give this
      > > private and personal
      > > Discovery by Soul a
      > > special designation.
      > > By referring to the
      > > uniqueness of the
      > > individual experience
      > > as 'Soul' does likewise.
      > >
      > > I will have to say that
      > > I've had help in validating
      > > that there is a Reality
      > > beyond the scientific
      > > explanations and that
      > > of religious dogma.
      > >
      > > I can only say that
      > > the Soulmate concept
      > > (IMO) is real in that
      > > it helps these Souls
      > > to form a special
      > > bond in order to merge
      > > and harmonize their
      > > vibrations and to better
      > > 'tune-in' to glimpses
      > > of, perhaps, our true
      > > origins and potential
      > > but also of this Here
      > > and Now.
      > >
      > > Prometheus
      > >
      > >
      > > "Tyson" wrote:
      > > The sound current, bani,
      > > shabd or nam is real.
      > >
      > > There is no religion that
      > > can claim it as there own.
      > >
      > > What is fiction is the
      > > dependance on a master
      > > that is created by religions
      > > of the light and sound.
      > >
      > > Only one initiation is
      > > important.
      > >
      > > Yet faith in a past master
      > > such as Christ, Krishna
      > > or Guru Nanak is just as
      > > valid.
      > >
      > > There is no mahanta.
      > >
      > > The blue star is no
      > > other than a manifestation
      > > created by a meeting
      > > between the holy spirit
      > > and ones higher self
      > > (soul).
      > >
      > > For Harold to claim to
      > > be the blue star is a
      > > way to snare the gullible.
      > > He is no more the blue
      > > star than the second
      > > coming of christ.
      > >
      > > I had heard the rushing
      > > wind as a member of
      > > eckankar so I wrongly
      > > believed that this path
      > > must be true.
      > >
      > > It was meditation on
      > > the third eye that brought
      > > the rushing wind, not
      > > Klemp.
      > >
      > > Eckankar was taken from
      > > the Sihk word Ek Ong Kar.
      > > Ek Ong Kar means one
      > > divine energy permeates
      > > all things.
      > >
      > >
      > > Russ wrote:
      > > > I was reading an article by Dodie xxxx, and she is ex eckist, interviewing
      > > David Lane and three eckists in the San Diego area.
      > >
      > > > One of the interviewees, a man made a statement, paraphrasing here, that
      in
      > > his mind it doesn't matter where the writings of eckankar come from because
      he
      > > is finding the truth of eckankar in his life. That it's more important to
      have
      > a
      > > connection with the sound current.
      > > >
      > > > I used to have that exact point of view. What changed for me?
      > > >
      > > > One thing I used to feel good about when talking about eck was this idea
      > that
      > > it has been around forever. And I thought eckankar was synonymous with the
      > sound
      > > current.
      > > >
      > > > It created a dissonance in my mind which I ignored for a decade, after
      > > becoming a 5th. I could no longer ignore this dissonance, caused by the
      > > plaigarism and ultimately this had led to me dropping out of eckankar.
      > > >
      > > > I have a question concerning the sound current. I experience this sound,
      > > sometimes. It wasn't a part of my experience previous to my study of eck.
      > Maybe
      > > it isn't important, where you read about it, if you take it as a principle
      and
      > > work with it.
      > > >
      > > > Do you folks think the sound current is bogus? Delusions?
      > > >
      > > > This is an interesting point because I am interested in truth...
      > > >
      > > > BTW, documenting the plaigarisms is in my opinion, good work. But this by
      > > itself doesn't go to the underlying issues concerning the question, "What is
      > the
      > > Truth regarding the idea of the sound current as a way of connection with
      the
      > > Divine??"
      > > >
      > > > Thanks,
      > > >
      > > > Russ
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