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6367Re: HK's Broken-Hip and Fear of an Inoculation!

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  • postekcon
    Sep 6, 2012
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      You are Ssoooo right. This question bothered me all my time in ekult!

      A lot of lip-service to 'service' per-se, but the bottom line was, only 'service' TO ekult was recorded as 'service'?

      This is NOT the way the Universe works, service to the one; to the exclusion of the other!
      -Postekcon


      --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, Janice Pfeiffer <jepfeiffer@...> wrote:
      >
      > What occurs to me is if the lem says we are here to serve others then why is it that as members you are only given duties that serves eckankar.  I never heard of any work going on in eckankar that benefited anything but eckankar.  Most activities are geared to drag in new members period..
      >
      > --- On Tue, 9/4/12, prometheus_973 <prometheus_973@...> wrote:
      >
      >
      > From: prometheus_973 <prometheus_973@...>
      > Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] HK's Broken-Hip and Fear of an Inoculation!
      > To: EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com
      > Date: Tuesday, September 4, 2012, 9:34 PM
      >
      >
      >
      >  
      >
      >
      >
      > Hello All,
      > I thought I'd bring
      > this back to the front
      > page----and share
      > Klemp's Wisdom Notes
      > from the 09/2012
      > The Mystic World.
      >
      > HK starts off by
      > saying that Eckankar
      > is for "lovers of life"
      > and that people need
      > not worry by thinking
      > it is a requirement
      > to sacrifice your life
      > to be a Co-worker
      > with the Mahanta.
      >
      > Klemp then poses
      > some "What If" questions.
      > Like, what if an astroid
      > hit causing devastation.
      > What would you do?
      >
      > "My words here are not
      > a foreshadowing of a
      > planetary disaster, BUT
      > a gentle reminder that
      > we exist to serve others."
      >
      > Well, there it is again.
      > Another pitch for service!
      > Klemp needs his volunteer
      > sales staff.
      >
      > Klemp even brings up what
      > happened to the Atlanteans
      > since they "turned from love
      > and service to a grab for
      > power and conquest." See
      > what happens when ECKists
      > don't volunteer! Plus, an
      > ECKist volunteering would
      > equate to how many non-
      > ECKists not volunteering?
      > Are HK's chelas mini-holding
      > tanks for the world's Karma?
      > However, HK does alleviate
      > some possible fears/concerns
      > by saying "a global disaster
      > need not happen." So, be of
      > service!
      >
      > "The mental energies of a
      > people turned toward evil
      > do rebound upon them. It
      > is called national karma."
      >
      > It would seem that this same
      > "rebound karma" would apply
      > to religions as well. It is called
      > religious karma.
      >
      > Here's something he says
      > regarding the negative forces
      > that applies to himself, too,
      > and yet he doesn't see the
      > irony in his words. "... so is
      > it any wonder that the few
      > command the many and are
      > apt to show a blatant disregard
      > for the wishes of the latter."
      > Sounds like Klemp is speaking
      > of himself. He's a tyrant who
      > can't and won't accept constructive
      > criticism. It's a One-Way street
      > and it runs his way! ECKists
      > aren't permitted to have differing
      > views... he's always right,
      > although, he claims not to
      > be perfect. That's a Catch-22!
      >
      > "BUT that is the heavy-handed
      > nature of power in the hands
      > of spiritual adolescents. So we
      > see more autocratic or tyrannical
      > rulers than good or wise ones
      > who rule according to the law
      > of divine love."
      >
      > See, I told you that Klemp can't
      > look into the mirror and see the
      > truth. He only sees his narcissistic
      > self!
      >
      > HK then talks to ECKists about
      > choosing between following:
      > "God's law or man's law. There
      > will be consequences.... for civil
      > disobedience... Again, God's law
      > or man's law? The issue for an
      > ECKist is freedom of conscience."
      >
      > Yet, look at what freedoms
      > ECKists have within ECKankar!
      > Not that many... it's a power
      > based hierarchy ruled locally
      > by the RESAs' Police Force.
      >
      > And, let's ponder whether
      > these ECK Laws are all that
      > "high." In fact they are all of
      > the Mental Plane and were,
      > thus, created by mankind.
      > Plus, "God" is actually the
      > KAL (according to Eckankar)
      > and is the Negative Force
      > in charge of the earth.
      >
      > ***************************
      > KLEMP ON INOCULATIONS:
      >
      > This next paragraph is a real
      > eye-opener! Did you know
      > that ECKists have a RELIGIOUS
      > ISSUE regarding inoculations?
      >
      > Klemp mentions, that while
      > in the hospital with his broken
      > hip, that he refused an inoculation.
      >
      > HK: "Yes, it is a religious issue
      > for us; the inoculation would
      > pose an unacceptable threat
      > to our health."
      >
      > It's kind of strange that Klemp
      > didn't mention which inoculation
      > was an issue. All inoculations
      > or just certain ones like the Flu
      > Shot, Pneumonia, or Shingles?
      > It would be nice to know.
      >
      > However, why is the Mahanta/
      > LEM (Klemp) fearful of an
      > inoculation? Is being a "lover
      > of life," also, being fearful
      > of death? It seems so! And,
      > Klemp is 70 years old and
      > showing his age.
      >
      > Anyway, Klemp says some
      > more things we've all, basically,
      > heard before and ends with:
      > "As always, the fires of karma
      > burn ever so hot and bright,
      > leaving each Soul ever more
      > spiritually refined." Klemp,
      > then, signs off with an
      > "Affectionately, Harold"
      >
      > So, is Klemp afraid of inoculations
      > because of possible karmic
      > retribution? Is his "Holding
      > Tank" full? If it was up to
      > Klemp he'd become a typhoid
      > Harry and spread his disease
      > everywhere. What about being
      > the cause for negativity?
      >
      > Also, I find it interesting that
      > Klemp ends by saying:
      > "Affectionately, Harold"
      >
      > I was looking at Twitchell's
      > old Wisdom Notes and he'd
      > end them with "My Love Is
      > Always With You" or "My
      > Love Protects You."
      >
      > Thus, when Klemp talks
      > about "the law of divine
      > love" it's strange that he
      > ends the article with,
      > "Affectionately."
      >
      > Klemp is the "heavy-handed
      > ruler and tyrant... and
      > spiritual adolescent"
      > that he talked about.
      >
      > This is why HK is fearful
      > of inoculations and hides
      > behind "religious beliefs."
      > He cannot be Detached
      > when he refuses inoculations
      > that others, like I, get. I'm
      > not fearful and I've read
      > the literature with the side-
      > effects. This is the main
      > reason he doesn't mention
      > which inoculation he refused.
      >
      > If it has to do with religious
      > beliefs... what law of God
      > justifies this fearful omission
      > that could, also, jeopardize
      > the health of others?
      >
      > Prometheus
      >
      > *********************
      > In the 09/2012 The
      > Mystic World, Klemp
      > tells of his hospital
      > experience with the
      > nursing staff.
      >
      > BTW- Notice HK's use
      > of BUT and reference
      > my previous post about
      > the use of IF, AND,
      > and especially BUT.
      >
      > I'll comment on the
      > excerpts:
      >
      > Klemp begins with his
      > story by making it seem
      > that his accident was
      > tied into being a channel
      > for the Holy Spirit.
      >
      > If asked, would you do
      > anything for the Holy
      > Spirit? And most would
      > respond, Yes, of course!
      >
      > "BUT what IF it meant
      > a complete change in
      > your way of doing nearly
      > everything?
      >
      > Notice the use of "BUT"
      > and "IF?" Two words EKists
      > are Not to use when
      > communicating with
      > one another.
      >
      > So, Klemp is setting us
      > up with his broken-hip
      > injury, caused by a fall
      > on "black ice," to be
      > something special and
      > spiritual.
      >
      > In fact, life happens!
      > Everyone goes through
      > injuries, pain, and suffering.
      > Klemp is making it seem
      > like his injury was because
      > he's what? Taking on the
      > Karma of his chelas and,
      > thus, he slips and falls?
      >
      > Or, maybe this "Slip & Fall"
      > is a Waking Dream telling
      > ECKists that Klemp has
      > Fallen from Grace! And,
      > the "Black Ice" is telling
      > us that HK's a "Black Magician"
      > like Darwin was! Darwin
      > did give the Rod of Power
      > to Klemp (the 12th initiation)
      > and initiated him with
      > several other Higher Initiations.
      > Plus, DG & HK met secretly
      > (twice, circa 1981-82)
      > in a Sound Proof Dark
      > Room where HK worked.
      > The Light and Sound was
      > kept out of this room
      > while they were preparing
      > for the transition. And,
      > it was Klemp's idea to
      > meet there, and Darwin
      > hesitated when learning
      > it had been previously
      > been converted to a
      > Sound Proof room and
      > was used as a Dark Room
      > by Klemp. However, Gross
      > overlooked his inner nudge
      > and paid the price!
      >
      > Anyway, Klemp mentions:
      > Faye, the RN; Holly, the
      > Physical Therapist; Lori,
      > the Occupational Therapist;
      > Dora, the West African
      > Nurse's Aide.
      >
      > Of course, Klemp claims
      > that everyone was talking
      > about the leader of Eckankar
      > falling on black ice and
      > breaking his hip.
      >
      > BTW- Klemp is pictured
      > at the 2012 EK Springtime
      > Seminar setting in a wheelchair.
      >
      > Anywho, HK talks about
      > Faye, nutrition, and states:
      > "BUT Faye, a member of
      > the Assembly of God church,
      > was determined to be the
      > complete professional. No
      > biases."
      >
      > Apparently Klemp feels the
      > need to give some background
      > on these people to make it
      > sound like he cares about
      > them. What Klemp fails to
      > see is that ECKist, or not,
      > we are all put into these
      > same scenarios or similar
      > situations and make small
      > talk and friends with those
      > who are taking care of us.
      >
      > Klemp, then, mentions that
      > some of Faye's co-workers
      > didn't understand their easy
      > "banter" and thought she was
      > being disrespectful since HK
      > was a preacher, of sorts, and
      > a cultist. "BUT I left her supervisor
      > a glowing commendation about
      > her healing laughter, care,
      > compassion, and understanding."
      >
      > Klemp says, "Do with me as
      > you please." Although, the
      > title of this front page article
      > is "Do With Me As You Will"
      > which is promoting HK's accident
      > as a Karmic sacrifice for his
      > chelas. Klemp's clueless about
      > the sufferings of others because
      > he has always lacked empathy!
      >
      > "Again, the EK had done with me
      > as It would, to better touch Souls
      > ready for the journey home to
      > God." Isn't "God" actually Kal,
      > whereas, Sugmad is different?
      > This is an official EK Pub so why
      > call Sugmad "God," unless, you
      > actually mean God!
      >
      > Next, Klemp mentions Holly
      > his physical therapist. She
      > mentions that, "Tomorrow at
      > this time our divorce will be
      > final." Klemp responds with,
      > "That's great!" Holly shrugs
      > her shoulders indifferently
      > and says, "I guess."
      >
      > Klemp shares his wisdom
      > of this while overlooking
      > the obvious hurt and doubts
      > that Holly is going through
      > by saying, "For her, the past
      > is the past; the present is
      > busy enough. Dear Holly."
      > To me this is a feeble attempt
      > at empathy. Plus, IMO, the
      > past isn't the past, especially,
      > when children are involved.
      >
      > Next comes Lori, Klemp's
      > occupational therapist.
      > He tells about her hunting
      > small game and recounts
      > a story she told that a cougar
      > once stalked her and her
      > husband. "BUT Lori does not
      > hunt cougar: it is a trophy
      > animal. She hunts for meat."
      > I guess that makes it okay
      > to kill.
      >
      > Now comes Dora, the West
      > African (Ghana) nurse's aide.
      > She brought ice for Harry's
      > hip and relayed messages
      > to the RN to bring "more
      > pain medication." "BUT Dora
      > did more, much more. When
      > the pain became nearly unbearable,
      > she laid a warm, encouraging
      > hand on my shoulder. Her
      > eyes, too, said, 'I understand."
      > Odd that Klemp was in so
      > much pain. One would think
      > that a 14th Initiate could HU
      > it away!
      >
      > Anyway, Joan came and picked
      > Harry up with some top ESC
      > staffers. And Klemp ends his
      > "tribute to a few of many
      > beautiful people in the healing
      > field" with these words:
      >
      > "And, Spirit of all living things,
      > I live to hallow Your name
      > among lost and wandering
      > Souls. So do with me as You
      > will."
      >
      > Klemp's con, along with his
      > delusion and narcissism, is
      > making this sound like
      > he's beseeching Spirit in
      > a prayer and giving thanks
      > that he can help "lost Souls"
      > by touching people with
      > his common everyday words
      > and presence... like everyone
      > else does in life. Except,
      > HK is more special than
      > other Souls because he's
      > the M/LEM of a false
      > teaching that pretends it's
      > "Spiritual."
      >
      > What's funny is that Klemp
      > thinks he's giving EKists
      > a pep talk and is showing
      > them how they should act
      > or respond to people if they
      > are in situations similar to
      > his as a result of Karma,
      > tests, and/or as channels
      > for Spirit.
      >
      > What Klemp is clueless of,
      > and doesn't know, is that
      > most EKists and even more
      > non-ECKists have already
      > responded in ways surpassing
      > Klemp's experience with his
      > non-lifethreatening injury.
      >
      > Prometheus
      >
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