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  • Russ Rodnick
    Aug 26, 2012
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      whenever we talk about the idea that twitch creaated the lineage and the idea of the mahanta, my mind searches for a justification of an experience that occured to me one day in the early 80's. I was driving my taxicab one evening, late and a brilliant being of blue light appeared, for a few seconds by the side of the road.
       
      One idea of the Pole of the World comes ( I think) from Sufi literature.
       
      Something occured, and for me it has been like an affirmation of the existence of the mahanta. but if twitch created the mahanta, then what was it that I SAW?
       
      I believe there are developed beings, human but more than human.. I don't think they care one whit about ANY organized religion, preferring to work with individuals. I don't have any evidence per se, i just believe this.
       
      Food for thought, yes?

      Russ

      From: prometheus_973 <prometheus_973@...>
      To: EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 11:17 PM
      Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Re: Art work Diana Stanley

       
      Some additional thoughts:
      Twitchell created Rebazar in
      order to initiate himself as
      a Master. He created the
      "lineage" of EK Masters to
      validate Rebazar. However,
      PT made Rebazar not just
      a master, but a great master
      in order to succeed him and
      rise above him to become
      even greater. Thus, the more
      laudations he gave to Rebazar
      the more he gave to himself.
      Here's an interesting site to
      explore:

      http://dosmangoes.xanga.com/137397966/item/

      Prometheus

      prometheus wrote:
      >
      > Hello Etznab,
      > It's interesting that Twit referred
      > to these Bourchakoun Masters
      > or Eagle-Eyed Adepts as "space
      > visitors" when most, supposedly,
      > originated on earth and that "soul
      > travel" didn't actually involve physical
      > travel. Maybe "Plane Jumpers or
      > Shifters" would have been more
      > apropos if in fact they did exist...
      > which they don't!
      >
      > Early on, however, Paul, used
      > the term "bi-location" to describe
      > the out-of-body ekperience.
      >
      > Interesting, too, that Darwin
      > Gross used the uncopyrighted
      > term "Bourchakoun Master" to
      > describe himself. Klemp overlooked
      > that one!
      >
      > Yes, the "Blue-Eyed" adept version
      > was because Paul had blue eyes.
      > Thus, he had to do rewrites in order
      > to taylor the material to fit himself
      > and make it seem that he was above
      > all other real religious "masters," as
      > well as, his own creation of fictional
      > ECK masters.
      >
      > So, Paul used both terms "Eagle-Eyed"
      > and "Blue-Eyed" Adept to describe
      > himself and to place himself above
      > the others. Paul, later (Jan.1968),
      > reenforced his position by having
      > Rebazar (Paul himself) affirm that
      > he was the Mahanta and above and
      > beyond reproach by all critics. He
      > was now the "spiritual" master in this
      > "outer" world and in all "inner" worlds/
      > planes. It was all very much a "retro-
      > rewrite" to truth as we are, now, seeing
      > in the current political realm with Romney.
      >
      > Prometheus
      >
      >
      > etznab@ wrote:
      > >
      > > OK. This comes from a 1966 book;
      > which would have been before the 1969
      > > Eckankar: The Key to Secret Worlds.
      > >
      > > ***
      > >
      > > "[....] These space visitors are generally members of the same order
      > > known to most of us as the Bourchakoun or Eagle-Eyed Adepts* An example
      > > is Rebazar Tarzs, who has shining coal black eyes that see like X-rays,
      > > penetrating anyone he gazes upon. Their Bible is called the
      > > Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad, or the way of the Eternal. [....]" *They are also
      > > known in India as the Vairagis, the Mystic Adepts of the Himalayas. (<
      > > in italics)
      > >
      > > - Based on Introduction to Eckankar, Chapter: SPACE TRAVEL BY
      > > OUT-OF-THE-BODY PROJECTION, 3rd-last paragraph (and * at bottom of
      > > page)
      > >
      > > ***
      > >
      > > So yes, it does look like Paul added "blue-eyed" (in at least one
      > > place) at a later date.
      > >
      > > -----Original Message-----
      > > From: etznab <etznab@>
      > > To: EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous
      > > <mailto:EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous%40yahoogroups.com>
      > > Sent: Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:55 pm
      > > Subject: Re: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Re: Art work Diana Stanley
      > >
      > >  
      > > Related link.
      > >
      > > http://survive2012.com/news/2008/02/thankys-cataclysm-for-blue-eyes-165.html
      > >
      > > -----Original Message-----
      > > From: etznab etznab@
      > > To: EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous
      > > mailto:EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous%40yahoogroups.com
      > > Sent: Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:33 pm
      > > Subject: Re: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Re: Art work Diana Stanley
      > >
      > >  
      > > Think I maybe found what Diane was referring to. This is from a 1969
      > > book; blue-eyed is also in the Second Printing 1988 version.
      > >
      > > "The entirety of the universes can be divided into four grand divisions
      > > according to the ancient order of adepts, whom we know as the
      > > Eshwar-Khanewale, or Vairagis, the blue-eyed adepts. Although not a
      > > blue-eyed being, Rebazar Tarzs, the Tibetan sage, is a member of this
      > > secret group. A large number of saviors, avatars, adepts, and others
      > > are listed in the Eshwar-Khanewale. [... .]"
      > >
      > > http://vielewelten.at/pdf_en/eckanar%20the%20key%20to%20secret%20worlds.pdf
      > >
      > > Is there another reference?
      > >
      > > -----Original Message-----
      > > From: etznab etznab@
      > > To: EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous
      > > mailto:EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous%40yahoogroups.com
      > > Sent: Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:14 pm
      > > Subject: Re: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Re: Art work Diana Stanley
      > >
      > >  
      > > My memory isn't good, but I think maybe the blue eyes was in reference
      > > to something about blue-eyed vs. eagle-eyed adepts. I could be wrong.
      > > This is just a guess from memory. I'm thinking that maybe one version
      > > of the story had "blue-eyed" where another version had "eagle-eyed".
      > > Does that sound familiar to anybody? I can't know for sure without
      > > finding the illustration where blue eyes are mentioned for Eck Masters.
      > > I am trying to substantiate what Diane said. Will see what I can find
      > > about this.
      > >
      > > -----Original Message-----
      > > From: etznab18 etznab@
      > > To: EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous
      > > mailto:EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous%40yahoogroups.com
      > > Sent: Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:53 pm
      > > Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Re: Art work Diana Stanley
      > >
      > >  
      > > I forgot where it said that all Eck Masters had blue eyes.
      > >
      > > Does anybody remember what book, article that was in?
      > >
      > > --- In mailto:EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous%40yahoogroups.com, "dianastanley43"
      > > dianastanley43@ wrote:
      > > &gt;
      > > &gt;
      > > &gt;
      > > &gt; --- In mailto:EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous%40yahoogroups.com, etznab@ wrote:
      > > &gt; &gt;
      > > &gt; &gt;
      > > &gt; &gt; Some of the details were based on Eckankar writings,
      > > along with
      > > &gt; &gt; other things, if I understood correctly from another post.
      > > &gt; &gt;
      > > &gt; &gt; Here is a question. What color were Yaubl Sacabi's eyes
      > > when you did
      > > &gt; &gt; the painting of him? Blue or brown?
      > > &gt; &gt;
      > > &gt; &gt; The 1969 copy of The Tiger's Fang (one of the early Eckankar
      > > books,
      > > &gt; &gt; that first came out in 1967) described Yaubl Sacabi similar
      > > to the way
      > > &gt; &gt; Fubbi Quantz was described in the 1979 version. And with
      > > brown eyes. In
      > > &gt; &gt; another (older book) Paul Twitchell described Yaubl Sacabi
      > > having pale
      > > &gt; &gt; blue eyes! Is this not pecu-liar? Are they all typos and one
      > > master
      > > &gt; &gt; confused with another? I wonder.
      > > &gt; &gt;
      > > &gt; &gt; The Tiger's Fang chapter, The Worship of Moloch, the 1969
      > > Copyright
      > > &gt; &gt; version, pp. 150-151 has:
      > > &gt; &gt;
      > > &gt; &gt; [....] When I got up from my knees from drinking the water,
      > > there stood
      > > &gt; &gt; beside me a wonderful looking man with a long, gray hair and
      > > beard and
      > > &gt; &gt; deep brown eyes. He must have been in his late thirties,
      > > square built,
      > > &gt; &gt; about five feet, nine inches tall, with a square face.
      > > &gt; &gt;
      > > &gt; &gt; "This is My Lord, Yaubl Sacabi," said Rebazar Tarzs. "He is
      > > one of the
      > > &gt; &gt; great ECK travelers from the city of Agam Des, the greatest
      > > of
      > > &gt; &gt; spiritual cities on the Earth Planet."
      > > &gt; &gt;
      > > &gt; &gt; The Tiger's Fang chapter, The Worship of Moloch, the Eighth
      > > Printing,
      > > &gt; &gt; 1979 version, p. 151 has:
      > > &gt; &gt;
      > > &gt; &gt; [....] When I got up from my knees from drinking the water,
      > > there
      > > &gt; &gt; standing beside me was a wonderful looking man with a long,
      > > gray beard,
      > > &gt; &gt; a fez and deep brown eyes. He must have been in his late
      > > sixties,
      > > &gt; &gt; square built, about five feet nine inches tall, and had a
      > > square face.
      > > &gt; &gt;
      > > &gt; &gt; "This is My Lord, Fubbi Quantz," said Rebazar Tarzs. "He is
      > > one of the
      > > &gt; &gt; great travelers from the city of Agam Des, the greatest of
      > > spiritual
      > > &gt; &gt; cities on the Earth Planet."
      > > &gt; &gt;
      > > &gt; &gt; Remember those pictures in the cartoon section of the
      > > newspaper
      > > &gt; &gt; where two apparently identical pictures were presented, but
      > > it was up
      > > &gt; &gt; to you to tell the difference?
      > > &gt; &gt;
      > > &gt; &gt; It gets better :)
      > > &gt; &gt;
      > > &gt; &gt; Descriptions of Fubbi Quantz and Yaubl Sacabi are on pp.
      > > 110-113 of
      > > &gt; &gt; Difficulties of Becoming the Living ECK Master (Copyright
      > > 1980). Yaubl
      > > &gt; &gt; seems to be the shorter one with "square" features there.
      > > Fubbi is over
      > > &gt; &gt; six feet tall and with "pointed" features. Yaubl, however, is
      > > described
      > > &gt; &gt; as having "very pale blue eyes" (p. 113). The 1969 T.T.F.
      > > version has
      > > &gt; &gt; Yaubl with "deep brown eyes".
      > > &gt; &gt;
      > > &gt; &gt; Double take :) (: ? ? Difficulties of Becoming the Living
      > > Eck Master
      > > &gt; &gt; were the last words of Paul Twitchell? And he had Yaubl
      > > Sacabi with
      > > &gt; &gt; pale blue eyes? Maybe he got him confused with Gopal Das? In
      > > any case,
      > > &gt; &gt; how confusing (for new people looking at Eckankar history) is
      > > that?
      > > &gt; &gt;
      > > &gt; &gt; This page has pictures of Eckankar Masters.
      > > &gt; &gt;
      > > &gt; &gt; http://www.eckankar.org/Masters/index.html
      > > &gt; &gt;
      > > &gt; &gt; Check out Rebazar Tarzs in upper left talking with Harold
      > > Klemp?
      > > &gt; &gt; Must be a reason for that. It sort of brings Rebazar Tarzs
      > > "to life"
      > > &gt; &gt; (IMO) and makes it look like Harold Klemp is in touch with
      > > him. No?
      > > &gt; &gt;
      > > &gt; &gt; In any case, were you aware of Yaubl Sacabi described as
      > > having both
      > > &gt; &gt; brown and blue eyes?
      > > &gt; &gt; My guess is that your picture had him with brown eyes. Is
      > > that correct?
      > > &gt; &gt;
      > > &gt; &gt; Etznab
      > > &gt; &gt;
      > > &gt; &gt; my painting of Yaubl had brown Eyes,it was shortly after that
      > > that paul said all Eck Masters had blue eyes. He also said he was born
      > > on a river boat and a blue carnation appeared on his mothers nite stand!
      > > &gt; Diana
      > > &gt; &gt;
      > > &gt; &gt; -----Original Message-----
      > > &gt; &gt; From: dianastanley43 &lt;dianastanley43@&gt;
      > > &gt; &gt; To: mailto:EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous%40yahoogroups.com
      > > &gt; &gt; Sent: Wed, Dec 29, 2010 1:07 pm
      > > &gt; &gt; Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Art work Diana Stanley
      > > &gt; &gt;
      > > &gt; &gt;  
      > > &gt; &gt; If anyone has any questions about my paintings while I was in
      > > Eckankar I
      > > &gt; &gt; would be happy to comment. Diana Stanley
      > > &gt; &gt;
      > > &gt;
      > >
      >



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