6288Re: Why Don't ECKists See the Truth?
- Aug 5 11:10 AMHello All,
Thanks for the reply.
Good insights! I'd like
to comment as well.
Janice Pfeiffer (JP) wrote:
I think we believed the lies because
we simply wanted too. We thought
eckankar filled a void in our lives
so we chose to believe the rediculous
stuff that helped explain away the
ME: EK does appeal to those
who are nonconformists and
who are interested in metaphysics,
and New Age topics and agendas.
Yes, it did fill a void because our
former religions we were raised
in did not answer questions that
we wanted to "know." These religions
were based upon belief, faith, and
scripture written, edited, and rewritten
by many authors and scribes, who
are unknown. And it took place
2,000-3,000 years ago (except for
the many rewrites). But, religious
history is much more recent if you're
a Mormon, Scientologist, or an ECKist!
JP: Then, if you got any sense at
all, one day, you just have to face
the fact that, it is all quite rediculous
and the man in charge isn't anything
special and even all the other eckist
start to appear to be really lacking
in social and spiritual graces.
ME: So true! I knew quite a few
who were high up in their local
Satsang Orgs who seemed, and
were, very unstable.
JP: I give thanks everyday that I
am not still among the blind. I give
thanks that there are others like
you that came out of eckankar's
web of spiritual death. It would
be nice if we could wave a magic
wand and have all the still deceived
become wide open to the truth
about eckankar. We all know it
is not going to happen that way.
ME: If I had a magic wand I'd
change more than just Eckankar.
Ford's book (Confessions of A
God-Seeker) opened things up
for me. I'm just glad I heard about
it and then paid the money to buy
it and then took my time to read
and reflect upon what was being
said. I, of course, had to verify
the information given by Ford
Johnson and purchased "The
Path of the Masters." I'd met Ford,
knew he was a 7th initiate and
a RESA, as well as a Harvard educated
attorney, and I had heard him
speak so I respected his intellect.
I must admit that his book was
not a pleasant read because it
was shattering my whole belief
system and trust.
There're two or three funny
stories about Ford's book.
When it was in manuscript
form Ford emailed some of
it to 7th Initiates. I had one
tell me about it and offered
to print it out for me. I declined
Later, a high ranking up and
coming local EKist and wannabe
RESA, who was a trustee on the
local Board, told me about Ford's
book. Of all people! Yes, he's
still a member of EK and still
looking for that 7th and RESA
Then, there was this really
strangely odd EK couple that
speed read Ford's book and,
then, threw it in the trash.
Klemp had printed some of
their embellished stories and
during one seminar mentioned
them by name and pointed
them out. They were quite proud
and thought they were above
even HK's RESA's and a law unto
themselves and shared in the
Anywho, they put it out there
that if anyone wanted to discuss
Ford's book that they would
take any calls and turn any
confused EKists around and
back to the "True Religion."
JP: I believe it is a person's ego
that keeps them spell bound in
eckankar. The belief that they are
special and that they are set apart
from the rest of the world in their
specialness is too much to relinquish.
And so they continue to believe that
klemp is God made flesh and eckankar
is the path to spiritual freedom while
they scurry around to do his bidding
and give him as much money as
they can afford to give.
ME: Those Initiations are an ego
Trap. ECKists claim to practice
Detachment, but coveting initiations
prevents Detachment. It's a tease
or would HK call it a Test? Regardless
of how Klemp would deflect it
or how EKists rationalize it away
the EK Initiations bind them to
desires and to the ego.
No "true blue" ECKist can say that
they don't desire another Initiation.
This is why some longtime 7ths,
and former RESAs, like Fran Blackwell
(bless her heart) will share that
"on the Inner she is an 8th." H.I.s
have discovered the loophole in
The Masters 4 Discourse
telling about the Ninth Initiation...
that there must be Three Stages
to every Initiation since there
are Three Stages with the Ninth
and everything EK must follow
the Principle of the Threes. Thus,
Two Stages are on the Inner
and the Third and Final Stage
is the Outer Confirmation. Therefore,
ON THE INNER, before the Final
Outer Confirmation Stage, every
ECKist could claim to be One
Initiation Higher that their EK
Membership Card indicates.
It's more delusion, but it's what
makes all religions work!
JP: So friends let us consider ourselves
the lucky ones. Where once we were
among the deceived, we did survive
the ordeal and maybe we are all just
a bit wiser about con artists and how
greed can cause some to inslave others
for profit. Bless each and all who did
make the journey through the smoke
and mirrors of eckankar and can today
say it has no more hold on them. And
may all of us think of those still with
in it's grasp with compassion. Chosing
the truth isn't always easy over a life
of imaginary greatness.
ME: I was always seeking the TRUTH
and Klemp's presence and redundant
message certainly isn't anywhere close
to what I was looking for. At first it had
promise, but after the trap had sprung
I was kept too busy with distractions
and wasn't allowed to question which
would indicate that I was not "ready"
for that next initiation.
I was thinking about some
of the lies we were told
while in Eckankar and of
how and why we accepted
them so readily.
For instance, there's the
long standing rule that
EKists don't proselytize,
in part, due to the Law
But, all this actually meant
is that ECKists don't go
door-to-door like Mormons
and Jehovah Witnesses.
Proselytizing means trying
verb [ with obj. ]
convert or attempt to convert
(someone) from one religion,
belief, or opinion to another:
the program did have a tremendous
evangelical effect, proselytizing
many | [ no obj. ] : proselytizing
for converts | (as noun proselytizing) :
no amount of proselytizing was
going to change their minds.
advocate or promote (a belief
or course of action): Davis wanted
to share his concept and proselytize
Leaving books and brochures
in laundromats or bookmarks
in books at libraries and in
bookstores is not following
the Law of Non-Interference.
Neither is having EK Internet
Videos or booths at Psychic
BTW- Let me speak about another
thought. Does Klemp have a sense
of divine intercession? Does he sit
in his Eden Prairie (mahanta) man
cave and HU/pray for the spiritual
evolution of mankind or for world
peace? Many religious leaders and
Maharishis who don't go out and
preach at least pray for intercession.
What does Klemp do except write
trashy books and promote his $$$
religious wares via his volunteer
grass roots sales staff and via the
pros at the ESC.
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