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6286Re: Why Don't ECKists See the Truth?

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  • Non
    Aug 2, 2012
      Actually, and unfortunately, I did join eckankar long enough to get a few years of discourses and attended some classes, read all the current books and articles. A lot of it was paid for by my brother. He got me in a car once acting like we were just going for a drive in the country and ended up parking at some place in the middle of nowhere to see Darwin Gross give a talk and so on. It was weird and a real mind screw. Fortunately, I was in college at some point and of course could not adhere to the not reading other books and to memorizing each discourse. I even asked a professor of a class on comparative religion what he thought. I was so brain washed that I could not head his suggestion that it was just a mishmash of a made up mysticism/religion. At one point, I seriously thought about sending President Nixon a letter telling him about eckankar, thinking that this would set him on the right path to the godhead, blah, blah....!?

      Ultimately, I asked way too many questions at eck meetings that people started getting pissed at me. Of course I took it to mean that there must be something wrong with me for having doubts. I did have a tendency for lucid dreaming already. But there were so many other types of cults at that time that I became very confused by some of the experiences I would have and seeking a therapist seemed to be out of the question. Cults make you feel so nuts that you feel like there is no one to talk to. It has taken me years to come to terms with all of that and the difficulty is unfortunately having to deal with a family member who is still in the cult and sees you as a threat to their idiotic authoritarian beliefs as an eck drone. eckists see all others as eckists who just don't know it yet, and if you actually reject it, well then you are just a conscious agent of kal, right?

      I found some good stuff on this site that has some of Margaret Singer's writings on cults of all kinds and recovery.


      noneckster ; )

      --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, Janice Pfeiffer <jepfeiffer@...> wrote:
      > It is a shame your brother would be abusive toward you because you didn't want eckankar.  I guess they think the more people they can convince, then the more right they can feel about believing.  It always seemed to me that they only abused lower members who didn't bow down and worship them as their superiors. 
      >  I don't blame you for resenting it.  It is uncalled for from any religious sect.  I always disliked it when Christians would shovel out their beliefs like they couldn't accept anything but their own point of view.  Tell your brother to follow the example of his beloved leader and check himself into a mental institution.  Give him material that debunks his eckankar.  Maybe eckankar is driving some people nuts if they need to get aggressive about it.  If he is that forceful about it, I would worry about his mental state.  Maybe you should suggest he gets some counselling since he can't exercise reasonable control about his beliefs. 
      > How they justify the lies that Paul and others told is by saying it was necessary to get eckankar established.  These are things I was told as a new eckist by older eckist.  They know you are going to hear about the lies.   But if you are told another version by eckist first, you are more likely to ignore anyone who tries to point out the lies.  It is drummed into you that eckankar has to be protected from those who just don't understand how great it is. 
      > I think you do become numb about what others say about eckankar when you are in.  There's a subtle suggestion that eckankar is always under attack by non believers.  I never heard anyone suggest aggression because of it but it was suggested that caution was needed when discussing eckankar with outsiders.  What I got was that you don't talk about the org but it was okay to talk about what the teachings did for you in your own life. 
      > Besides, you only learn the truth about eckankar in degrees.  Newbies aren't told how the whole thing works.  They count on you getting hooked on the written works of eckankar before you learn the truth about how things really work. 
      > I take it you never were an eckist and it seems you want to understand how they can keep holding on to something based on lies.  I think it is because like with all spiritual teachings there is enough truth in what they read that they think it is worth while.  Paul compiled a lot of material that he gathered from various sources.  There is some good stuff there while there is also a lot of contradictions.  Some don't care that it was stolen material.  It is like they think Paul brought all the great teachings together for their benefit.  The biggest lie in eckankar is that eckankar is an ancient religion and instead of Paul stealing from other religions, they believe that other religions evolved from the ancient teachings of eckankar and only a select few can hear and see that eckankar is the original and true path.  Well, that is how it was spoon fed to me anyway. 
      > Now, they even advertise on TV.  What a crock of crap.  The great secret teachings of eckankar being peddled on TV like just another info-mercial. Membership must be way down.  Klemp must be getting desperate.  Need more slaves to bring in more money and continue dragging in new dues paying members. 
      > Are eckankar members in general getting more aggressive about increasing their numbers?  I couldn't say since I don't have any contact with any eckist.  That would be interesting to know however.
      > I got to have one final dig at eckankar so here goes.  I remember that supposedly, the
      > God man klemp has the ability to control the higher and lower worlds, so is it his fault that the whole world economy has gotten so bad?  Why doesn't he do something about it?  Has anyone heard what the great one has to say about it? 
      > --- On Thu, 8/2/12, Non <eckchains@...> wrote:
      > From: Non <eckchains@...>
      > Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Re: Why Don't ECKists See the Truth?
      > To: EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com
      > Date: Thursday, August 2, 2012, 4:31 AM
      > At what point does deception become self-deception and then it becomes what is really just an outright lie. What does it take to lie to yourself? Denial. But denial pays a price at some point. At first there may be some discomfort or even pain. So to deny must involve some level of numbing out, covering up, becoming ever more deluded.
      > My brother was quite forceful in his attempts to get me involved in eckankar and to be a member. He became quite nasty about it even and still is. Yes, denial is the root of hypocrisy, an attempt to not feel the harm they do to others and to themselves. (and then there are those who are just pathological and do not feeling normal guilt and this does not keep them up at night or if it does it is the fault of their victims somehow)
      > Truth to them is just TWISTED.
      > noneckster ; )
      > --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973" <prometheus_973@> wrote:
      > >
      > Hello All,
      > I was thinking about some
      > of the lies we were told
      > while in Eckankar and of
      > how and why we accepted
      > them so readily.
      > For instance, there's the
      > long standing rule that
      > EKists don't proselytize,
      > in part, due to the Law
      > of Non-Interference.
      > But, all this actually meant
      > is that ECKists don't go
      > door-to-door like Mormons
      > and Jehovah Witnesses.
      > Proselytizing means trying
      > to:
      > "proselytize |ˈpräsələˌtīz|
      > verb [ with obj. ]
      > convert or attempt to convert
      > (someone) from one religion,
      > belief, or opinion to another:
      > the program did have a tremendous
      > evangelical effect, proselytizing
      > many | [ no obj. ] : proselytizing
      > for converts | (as noun proselytizing) :
      > no amount of proselytizing was
      > going to change their minds.
      > • advocate or promote (a belief
      > or course of action): Davis wanted
      > to share his concept and proselytize
      > his ideas."
      > Leaving books and brochures
      > in laundromats or bookmarks
      > in books at libraries and in
      > bookstores is not following
      > the Law of Non-Interference.
      > Neither is having EK Internet
      > Videos or booths at Psychic
      > Fairs.
      > BTW- Let me speak about another
      > thought. Does Klemp have a sense
      > of divine intercession? Does he sit
      > in this Eden Prairie (mahanta) man
      > cave and HU/pray for the spiritual
      > evolution of mankind or for world
      > peace? Many religious leaders and
      > Maharishis who don't go out and
      > preach at least pray for intercession.
      > What does Klemp do except write
      > trashy books and promote his $$$
      > religious wares via his volunteer
      > grass roots sales staff and via the
      > pros at the ESC.
      > Prometheus
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