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6172Re: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Re: ECKists Wearing Blinders

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  • Janice Pfeiffer
    Apr 18, 2012
      To Nonecster:  Thank your lucky stars that you didn't invest more time and energy into eckankar.  As for your relative, I believe that eckist are so entranced by their religion that there is nothing you can say.  I have seen some who read the truth about eckankar; agree that it is full of lies and go right back into it because of fear or just plain needing the comfort of belonging to something so controlling.  I think if you give them the material that shows them the truth and then refuse to argue about it, they would have a better chance of waking up. Either they take hold to the life line or they don't.   Trying to force them to see the truth only seems to make them more determined to hold on.  I wish you and all of yours the best.  Please be at peace in knowing that it is the responsibility of each of us to make our own path.  You are not responsible that one or more of yours chooses to wear the chains of eckankar. 
      --- On Wed, 4/18/12, Non <eckchains@...> wrote:

      From: Non <eckchains@...>
      Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Re: ECKists Wearing Blinders
      To: EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Wednesday, April 18, 2012, 5:39 AM

       
      This is exactly what my close relative does, except there is also this constant sense of superiority and displaced anger at me for having gone through a period when I was younger in which he tried desperately to get me to join, which of course involved me asking a lot of questions, not only about eckanakar but other religions, mysticism and philosophy. I am a very curious person by nature, and this also means that I see through inconsistencies. I was not a very good eckist, even though I was having lucid dreams in childhood, long before getting involved in the cult. eckankult really did a number on me because of my natural propensity towards mysticism and poetic dreaming.

      eckists are really just in a self-imposed state of ignorance. They can't see the forest OR the trees, as theirs is a low information hierarchical religion. Trying to engage them in any kind of interesting conversation is really impossible, even suggesting a book on compassion will get a defensive reaction.

      Thanks for your post. It helped me to affirm and articulate what was in the back of my mind, and to understand why being around this eckist irks me so much. Unfortunately, when it is family, you can't just walk away as easily. It's hard.

      Noneckster ; )

      --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973" <prometheus_973@...> wrote:
      >
      > Hello All,
      > It's so interesting talking
      > to current EK H.I.s... not!
      >
      > What I found to be both
      > odd and comical is that
      > the subject of religion
      > seems to be off-limits
      > and that ECKists are
      > both uninformed
      > and naive about other
      > religions. I'm talking
      > about discussing the
      > nutty Mormons, Old
      > Testament Christians,
      > and Muslims.
      >
      > Or, maybe it's the H.I.s
      > I know since they've
      > been programmed for
      > 30-40, plus, years not
      > to gossip or to say any-
      > thing negative. Nah! If
      > you say anything about
      > about the GOP candidates
      > you can get an ear full...
      > except when you bring
      > up the religious nut cases!
      >
      > Really, I steer away from
      > discussing anything ECK,
      > unless, they bring the topic
      > up and then I simply go
      > along with it and say something
      > nice or neutral like, "Oh,
      > you stayed at the Chanhassen
      > Inn? How did that work
      > out with transportation?"
      >
      > When EKists discuss
      > religion it's like...
      > let's be polite and
      > allow everyone to
      > believe as they choose
      > and not criticize
      > people or their
      > religious beliefs.
      > Except, PT and HK
      > have pointed out
      > that all other religions
      > are 2nd or 4th Plane
      > religions and their
      > "God" is actually
      > the KAL or Satan.
      >
      > So, being nice and
      > polite and giving
      > a person space and
      > all of that is a facade!
      > The real problem is
      > EKists don't want to
      > throw stones when
      > they're in a cult that
      > can be equally criticized
      > for their own short comings.
      >
      > This is the real reason
      > for EKists to avoid any
      > discussions about other
      > religions and their negative,
      > primitive behaviors and
      > beliefs.
      >
      > Plus, wouldn't EKists have
      > to admit (unconsciously)
      > that their beliefs are as
      > mythological, with pretend
      > beings, heavenly places,
      > and a hypocritical conman/
      > leader as do all of those
      > other lesser, phony religions?
      > No, they'd never consciously
      > allow those doubts to resurface.
      > One thing I do know. Everyone
      > has doubts and misgivings
      > and these do surface from
      > time-to-time, especially,
      > as one ages.
      >
      > Yes, Eckists are very judgmental,
      > except, it's usually hidden
      > or rationalized in some way.
      > Look at how RESAs determine
      > who's to be recommended
      > for a pink slip or given
      > a position in the Satsang's
      > hierarchy. It's a judgement
      > call based upon opinions,
      > bias, emotions, personalities,
      > and less to do with "spiritual"
      > standards since they don't
      > have a clue!
      >
      > Another reason why EKists
      > don't want a discussion
      > of other religions is because
      > the conversation might
      > plant some seeds that
      > would grow and open the
      > door for EKists to look at
      > their own religion with new
      > eyes. New insights can lead
      > to a new perspective that
      > would reveal the truth about
      > Eckankar.
      >
      > I will say that EKists can't
      > really make a fair comparison
      > to other religions. It's like
      > being Amish. What other
      > religion compares with theirs?
      > On second thought, all religions
      > have rules and dogma that
      > are edited and reinterpreted
      > by the leaders of the hierarchy.
      >
      > Maybe these are the things
      > that make religions possible:
      > A Leader; Dogma; Rules;
      > Laws; Symbols; a Hierarchy;
      > Ignorant Followers; and Money!
      >
      > The belief in God, and the
      > communication with the
      > Divine Essence is something
      > a person can do on one's own.
      >
      > Isn't that the way it should be?
      >
      > Prometheus
      >

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