6131Re: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Re: Where I Stand
- Feb 17, 2012Try researching the definition for corporation sole.
A corporation sole is a legal entity consisting of a single ("sole")
incorporated office, occupied by a single ("sole") man or woman. [....]
My impression "according to Darwin Gross" is that Harold turned
Eckankar into a corporation sole. Someone would have to follow up on
this and check for verification. If corporation sole is what Eckankar
is, then I don't know if members need be allowed to vote, or if a board
can in any way trump the single individual in charge.
Can a non-profit be a corporation sole? One would have to determine
that first. I think they can, but are not sure.
Member is another word one needs to follow up on and how it is defined.
One could argue that not all people as part of a non-profit are members
with legal voting rights.
Whether members can vote is probably a mute point, IMO. I don't think
the org. / corp. is set up that way. Not according to what I have read.
From: Janice Pfeiffer <jepfeiffer@...>
Sent: Fri, Feb 17, 2012 5:32 pm
Subject: Re: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Re: Where I Stand
I was reading Minnesota's requirements for a nonprofit org since the
rules for such are governed by state laws except for some federal
regulations concerning tax exemptions. According to what I read,
members of a nonprofit org have a right to vote on the board of
directors. I don't recall eckankar ever giving card toting members a
chance to make any decisions much less vote on who occupies the board
of directors. I also read that the board members and other officials
can change the by laws of the org as they see fit.
I was reading about such things because I wondered if the state of
Minnesota was especial beneficial as far as gaining and maintaining
nonprofit status. I am thinking that they have a lot more casual view
of nonprofit orgs than maybe most others. So maybe it is not just that
it is familiar territory for Klemp. They may actually have an easier
time maintianing their status there.
Any comments about members being allowed to vote on the board members?
Can you imagine eckankar letting members do that? I wonder if that
would pertain to all members or just local members? I guess what I
mean is if that would pertain to out of state and or out of country
--- On Fri, 2/17/12, etznab@... <etznab@...> wrote:
From: etznab@... <etznab@...>
Subject: Re: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Re: Where I Stand
Date: Friday, February 17, 2012, 10:29 PM
"Plus, Gail's not going to tell him the truth anyway because she'd be
admitting to her participation
in the scam!"
According to the "contract of sale", I believe, Gail was released from
all liability for the writings of Paul Twitchell. Therefore it is
possible that Gail is not legally liable for any of it.
There was a copy of the contract of sale on the Internet once, but I
don't believe it's available any more. I do remember something about
this, though. As I read the document when it was public domain.
I do see your point about Gail not admitting much. However, I really,
really, really wish she would write a tell-all book some day. I think
she could make a fortune on something like this. Really I do! At the
same time, I also wonder about if any other "legal" agreements were
struck between Gail and others that are not available to the public. I
haven't seen any, but I do wonder if Gail ever agreed (in writing) NOT
TO do something like a tell-all book. Not now. Not ever.
From: prometheus_973 <prometheus_973@...>
Sent: Fri, Feb 17, 2012 4:11 pm
Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Re: Where I Stand
Interesting. Yes, Klemp,
Gross and Twitchell
have taught us about
the religious con. Many
Eckists are still learning
and will never understand
the lesson. The longer
one remains under the
influence the more stuck
they become. These long-
time EKists are generally
identified via impressive
titles and higher initiations.
Other than that these three
were not true teachers and
certainly weren't masters...
except at deceit.
I think that the best lie can
be told when the teller allows
himself to believe it as well.
Plus, of course, a little truth
mixed in also helps to make
it more believable.
Twitchell (and Gail) were the
two originators of the lie and
were more aware of the distortions
than the Twitchells' followers.
Next came Gross (and Gail
again). By being once removed
from the con it appears that
Darwin did, at first, believe
some of Twitchell's religious
myth. But, Gail, of course,
never believed any of Paul's
Mastership Stories. She did
like the attention, to a degree,
and the friendships she had
made. Mostly, she likes the
things that money could/can
Next came Klemp. He despised
Darwin because of the womanizing,
flashy egocentric appearance,
and DG's big spending habits.
However, HK was also envious
of Darwin's power and title/status.
Klemp learned how to "play-the-
game" in order to be released
early from a mental institution
in 1970 and flew under the radar
to have Darwin trust him and
need him (depend upon him)
to write EK publications.
Klemp showed Darwin what he
wanted to see... a meek and mild
admirer who was easily controlled.
This way Darwin could continue
to have fun and the admiration
of Eckists while Klemp would run
the business and write the books.
Since Klemp is more removed
from the original truth of Eckankar
being a scam and a vocation for
the Twitchells' I do think that he's
deluded enough to believe the
hype... to a certain point. Plus,
Gail's not going to tell him the
truth anyway because she'd be
admitting to her participation
in the scam! BTW- Did you know
that Harold's daughter, Marion,
has the middle name of Gail.
Klemp wants to believe the hype
because he's not only a narcissist,
and is vain, but he's also mentally
He a big fan of the "as if" pretend
principle. When people write to him
and say they saw him in their dreams
yada, yada, yada, he actually believes
it.... to a degree. The problem is
that Klemp doesn't remember any
of it! He's unaware of what's going
on (on the "INNER") and that's why
he needs Eckists to "write" to him
via their snail-mail testimonials.
So, how does HK rationalize it?
Well, he's getting what he wants...
financial security, admiration,
and he's the boss!
Eckists get what they want
and need. Someone to look
up to, worship, dream of &
journal, believe in and trust!
And, they have EK Centers,
Worship Services, HU Sings,
Harji potlucks, their books,
CDs, DVDs, jewelry, a Temple,
seminars, invisible and
immortal ECK Masters and
those Higher Initiations!
Thank you Russ for such a good description of your experience. I too
enjoyed the sound part of eckankar teachings and I continued to use Hu
for a while after leaving until I found other words to use. There was
a lot of good stuff in eckankar teachings but for me it was spoiled by
the fact that Twitchell stole most of it from others. I would prefer
to read the originals. The way I see it is that eckankar can't stop
those who leave from using any of the techniques they learned as eckist
if it is beneficial. The effect eckankar has had on me is lasting. I
don't feel I could ever feel comfortable joining any kind of spiritual
or religious group again. I read all kinds of stuff and find bits and
pieces that are useful to me. I don't know if this is the best way or
not to seek enlightenment but it is the only way I can go at this
point. I do so enjoy reading the experiences that others have had in
eckankar and since leaving. It makes me feel less alone in my own
journey. It can feel lonely when you aren't able to share with others
what I consider the most crucial part of my life and development. The
one thing I can't forgive or forget about eckankar is the lies. To me
this is inexcusable. I hope through hearing from people like you I
will be able to put these things more in prospective one way or
another. I feel it would be better for me to let go of it all together
because in sorting out these things for myself, eckankar still has a
certain amount of my attention. I don't think about it continually but
wasting any time on eckankar to me some how seems like a waste. There
will always be people like Klemp, Twitchell and Gross who use other
people for self glorification. Part of me just can't seem to let go
because I see eckankar as highly destructive to impressionable people
who are looking for truth while eckankar will give them only lies.
Sometimes I feel pulled by what is right for me and the idea that since
I participated, maybe I have some responsibility toward others. These
can be such gray areas when one seeks to do what is right. I could
certainly use yours and the ideas of others about how you view these
Good Day All!
Take what is good and leave the rest behind.
I naturally gravitated toward the part of Eckankar that had been
missing in my spiritual practice and that something was the sound
What I did was put faith in the lem though in my heart I know/knew that
it was a crutch. I even stayed in for 33 years. I was afraid I would be
severed from the sound current if I left. Absurd really.
I came to my senses and I can say that the practice of chanting hu
(there are many other words that are effective too}established in me an
awareness of sound and light. So, I now have a certain beingness, a
part of me that knows about this connection to the Higher Self.
I also find myself wishing that PT had honored his real teachers and
simply wrote his books as his own opinion. I don't know or really care
about his motives. I believe that truth can be discovered anywhere but
only with a quality of sincerety. Every teacher is limited but
followers pull a teacher/leader into a position of authority. Not many
can resist the pull. We humans under the pull of illusion have to
believe that something is the greatest when in fact it might be new to
us but pretty ordinary otherwise. Experience is indeed the best
So, yea I got a lot out of eckankar but guess what? I got more out of
leaving it and shaking off the dependency. I feel more empowered, real
and clear about my reality. So, the final test of a disiple(sp) is to
thank the teacher and move on. That's the honorable thing to do. imho.
And avoid the master-chela trap and counsel others when possible to
also avoid this trap. The power and love are within you.
What I do know is that what is REAL stands the test of time. Let the bs
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