6129Re: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Where I Stand
- Feb 17, 2012
Thank you also etznab. You said it much better than I ever could. There is a lot of widom in your words.
--- On Fri, 2/17/12, etznab@... <etznab@...> wrote:
From: etznab@... <etznab@...>
Subject: Re: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Where I Stand
Date: Friday, February 17, 2012, 10:19 PM"I read all kinds of stuff and find bits and pieces that are useful to
me.I don't know if this is the best way or not to seek enlightenment
but it is the only way I can go at this point."
What I have found about reading is that readings don't always divulge
their source(s), author(s) and history(s). In many cases (I have found,
especially with religions and ancient history) most, if not all of
those things appear to get embellished, and / or turn into pseudo
man-made history and religion. If a "compiler" knows the source(s) from
which they compile(d) and attribute(s) a different source, author,
history ...? I naturally ask: What does it mean? Does it even convey
natural events and history?
The only thing I know to help is exploring and checking the "source(s)"
of what I read. This is not something I did very much in the beginning
with Eckankar writings. However, I think it probably one of the sure
ways to arrive at a more comprehensive truth. Even if it means death of
The harder part, in my experience, is finding another more ideal ideal.
One closer to the actual truth about God, Soul and Spiritual matters
(Including what is heaven and hell really?). IMO, this - the final
interpretation - does not have to hinge on the opinions, beliefs,
writings of others alone. It can hinge on what I alone KNOW to be true.
From: Janice Pfeiffer <jepfeiffer@...>
Sent: Fri, Feb 17, 2012 2:13 pm
Subject: Re: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Where I Stand
Thank you Russ for such a good description of your experience. I too
enjoyed the sound part of eckankar teachings and I continued to use Hu
for a while after leaving until I found other words to use. There was
a lot of good stuff in eckankar teachings but for me it was spoiled by
the fact that Twitchell stole most of it from others. I would prefer
to read the originals. The way I see it is that eckankar can't stop
those who leave from using any of the techniques they learned as eckist
if it is beneficial. The effect eckankar has had on me is lasting. I
don't feel I could ever feel comfortable joining any kind of spiritual
or religious group again. I read all kinds of stuff and find bits and
pieces that are useful to me. I don't know if this is the best way or
not to seek enlightenment but it is the only way I can go at this
point. I do so enjoy reading the experiences that others have had in
eckankar and since leaving. It makes me feel less alone in my own
journey. It can feel lonely when you aren't able to share with others
what I consider the most crucial part of my life and development. The
one thing I can't forgive or forget about eckankar is the lies. To me
this is inexcusable. I hope through hearing from people like you I
will be able to put these things more in prospective one way or
another. I feel it would be better for me to let go of it all together
because in sorting out these things for myself, eckankar still has a
certain amount of my attention. I don't think about it continually but
wasting any time on eckankar to me some how seems like a waste. There
will always be people like Klemp, Twitchell and Gross who use other
people for self glorification. Part of me just can't seem to let go
because I see eckankar as highly destructive to impressionable people
who are looking for truth while eckankar will give them only lies.
Sometimes I feel pulled by what is right for me and the idea that since
I participated, maybe I have some responsibility toward others. These
can be such gray areas when one seeks to do what is right. I could
certainly use yours and the ideas of others about how you view these
--- On Fri, 2/17/12, russrodnick <russrodnick@...> wrote:
From: russrodnick <russrodnick@...>
Subject: [EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous] Where I Stand
Date: Friday, February 17, 2012, 3:33 PM
Good Day All!
Take what is good and leave the rest behind.
I naturally gravitated toward the part of Eckankar that had been
missing in my spiritual practice and that something was the sound
What I did was put faith in the lem though in my heart I know/knew that
it was a crutch. I even stayed in for 33 years. I was afraid I would be
severed from the sound current if I left. Absurd really.
I came to my senses and I can say that the practice of chanting hu
(there are many other words that are effective too}established in me an
awareness of sound and light. So, I now have a certain beingness, a
part of me that knows about this connection to the Higher Self.
I also find myself wishing that PT had honored his real teachers and
simply wrote his books as his own opinion. I don't know or really care
about his motives. I believe that truth can be discovered anywhere but
only with a quality of sincerety. Every teacher is limited but
followers pull a teacher/leader into a position of authority. Not many
can resist the pull. We humans under the pull of illusion have to
believe that something is the greatest when in fact it might be new to
us but pretty ordinary otherwise. Experience is indeed the best
So, yea I got a lot out of eckankar but guess what? I got more out of
leaving it and shaking off the dependency. I feel more empowered, real
and clear about my reality. So, the final test of a disiple(sp) is to
thank the teacher and move on. That's the honorable thing to do. imho.
And avoid the master-chela trap and counsel others when possible to
also avoid this trap. The power and love are within you.
What I do know is that what is REAL stands the test of time. Let the bs
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